Re: Vick - leave of absence

On 25 Jul 2007 13:08:09 GMT, <aborgman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

David Loewe, Jr. <dloewe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 24 Jul 2007 19:13:10 GMT, <aborgman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
David Loewe, Jr. <dloewe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 24 Jul 2007 18:12:29 GMT, <aborgman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
David Loewe, Jr. <dloewe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 24 Jul 2007 13:38:41 GMT, <aborgman@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
David Loewe, Jr. <dloewe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 19:48:14 -0700, "tom_sawyer70@xxxxxxxxx"
<tom_sawyer70@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 23, 8:21 pm, "David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Mon, 23 Jul 2007 15:59:35 -0700, "tom_sawye...@xxxxxxxxx"
<tom_sawye...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jul 23, 4:52 pm, "David Loewe, Jr." <dlo...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

It's amusing to me that you've backed off from something you wrote in
your original post - "The league/NFLPA/Falcons should void his
contract..." And THAT is, of course, what prompted my response.

I haven't backed off that statement.

Given your extensive editing, how can one tell?

"Extensive editing"?

You know, how you chop away virtually every damned thing said in the
post before yours so that all context has to be gleaned either from
memory or looking back at the old posts.

This is the broadband era. Leaving a little bit of text in the post
isn't going to hurt (and the binary portion of Usenet consumes so much
more greater bandwidth than the text portion, leaving all prior text
would just be a drop in the bucket overall).

If he signed the contract while
involved with such an operation, I think that the league should void
his contract and the NFLPA should support the move.

Then why prattle on about the LOA?

I don't know...I guess that I don't think that a person who signed a
contract in good faith should not be paid multi-millions while running
a felon operation in direct conflict with their employer. Maybe you
feel differently?

What the hell does this have to do with what I have written here?

My questions to you are...why do you believe that Vick should be paid
his contract money during his time off due to his legal troubles?

Have I said ANYTHING like that?

I thought I said that his *union* should fight for him *because that
is their job*.

No, it is their job to fight for the union members as a whole. If
fighting for Michael Vick hurts the union members as a whole, they
have no obligation to do so.

When was the last time you ever heard of a union not fighting for one
of their members who had not yet been convicted of a crime? Recall
that the OP wants Vick's contract voided NOW and he wants the union to
back this action.

The discussion is about what they should do, not what they will do.

Do you believe, as the OP does, that the Union should back having his
contract voided NOW - yes or no?

If after thorough consideration they believe harm will come
to the membership as a whole from defending him, yes. If not,
no.

Should they have backed voiding Ray Lewis' contract before his trial?

If after thorough consideration they believed harm would come
to the membership as a whole from defending him, yes. If not,
no.

Should they have backed voiding Jamal Lewis' contract *after* his
trial?

If after thorough consideration they believed harm would come
to the membership as a whole from defending him, yes. If not,
no.

Should they have backed voiding Leonard Little's contract?

If after thorough consideration they believed harm would come
to the membership as a whole from defending him, yes. If not,
no.

Wow. Just wow.
--
"A lady came up to me on the street and pointed to my suede jacket.
"You know a cow was murdered for that jacket?" she sneered. I replied
in a psychotic tone, "I didn't know there were any witnesses. Now
I'll have to kill you too."
- Jake Johanson
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