Re: Rant: Software jobs, WTF?
- From: lein <boomer_the_cat@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 07 Jun 2007 17:06:36 -0700
On Jun 7, 8:14 am, <aborg...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Carl Banks <pavlovevide...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
I recently interviewed for two software engineering positions and was
denied, not because I didn't have the skill, but because I wasn't
outwardly excited enough about the job. Having been an engineer in
the classical sense, the idea that this would even be a factor was
inconceivable to me. No one in (for instance) aerospace engineering
gets excited about anything (except maybe when complaining about
funding and/or the IT department), and they do their jobs just fine.
WTF is up with that?
99.9999% of Software "Engineering" isn't engineering.
Yeah, but it didn't stop the State of NJ from trying...
http://www.skepticfiles.org/conspire/licencep.htm
ASSEMBLY, No. 4414
STATE OF NEW JERSEY
INTRODUCED JANUARY 24, 1991
by Assemblywoman KALIK, Assemblymen CASEY,
Spadoro and Mazur
AN ACT providing for the licensure of software [engineers] designers'
amending P.L.1971, c.60, P.L.1974, c.46 and P.L.1978,c.73, and
supplementing Title 45 of the Revised Statutes.
BE IT ENACTED by the Senate and General Assembly of the State of New
Jersey:
1. (New section) This act shall be known and may be cited as the
"Software [Engineers'] Designers' Licensing Act."
2. (New section) The Legislature finds and declares that the public
interest requires the regulation of the practice of software
[engineering] designing and the establishment of clear licensure
standards for software [engineers] designers' and that the welfare of
the citizens of this State will be protected by identifying to the
public those individuals who are qualified and legally authorized to
practice software [engineering] designing.
3. (New section) As used in this act:
"Board" means the State Board of Software [Engineers] Designers'
established pursuant to section 4 of this act.
"Licensed software [engineer] designer"' means any person who
practices software [engineering] designing and who represents
himself
to the public by title or by description of services under any title
incorporating such terms as "software engineer," "software'
designer'," "chartered engineer," or "CEng" or any similar title or
description of services, who is duly licensed pursuant to this act.
"Software [engineering] designing"' means the process of creating
software systems and applies to techniques that reduce software cost
and complexity while increasing reliability and modifiability, which
includes, but is not limited to, the elements of requirements
[engineering] designing design specification, implementation testing
and validation, operation and maintenance and software management.
4. (New section) There is created within the Division of Consumer
Affairs in the Department of Law and Public Safety the State Board of
Software [Engineers] Designers'. The board shall consist of nine
members who are residents of the State who shall be appointed by the
Governor. Six members shall be licensed software [engineers]
designers'
who have been actively engaged in software [engineering] designing for
at least five years immediately preceding their appointment, except
that
the members initially appointed shall be licensed pursuant to this act
within 18 months of appointment. Of the remaining members, two shall
be
public members, and one shall be a member of the executive branch, all
of whom shall be appointed pursuant to section 2 of P.L.1971, c.60
(C.45:1-2.2).
5. (New section) Each member of the board, except the members first
appointed, shall serve for a term of five years and shall hold office
until the appointment and qualification of his successor. The initial
appointment to the board shall be: two members for terms of two
years,
two members for terms of three years, two members for terms of four
years, and three members for terms of five years. Vacancies shall be
filled for the unexpired term only. No member may be appointed for
more
than two consecutive terms.
6. (New section) Members of the board shall be compensated and
reimbursed for expenses and provided with office and meeting
facilities
pursuant to section 2 of P.L.1977, c.285 (C.45:1-2.5).
7. (New section) The board shall annually elect from among its
members
a chair, vice-chair and a secretary. The board shall meet twice per
year and may hold additional meetings as necessary to discharge its
duties.
8. (New section) The board shall:
a. Review the qualifications of applicants for licensure;
b. Insure the proper conduct and standards for examinations;
c. Issue and renew licenses to software [engineers] designers'
pursuant to this act;
d. Refuse to admit to examination, refuse to issue, or suspend,
revoke
or fail to renew the license of a software [engineer] designer
pursuant to the provisions of P.L.1978, c.73 (C.45:1-14 et seq.);
e. Maintain a record of every software [engineer] designer licensed
in the State, their places of business, places of residence and the
date and number of their license;
f. Establish fees pursuant to P.L.1974, c.46 (C.45:1-3.1 et seq.);
g. Adopt and promulgate rules and regulations pursuant to the
"Administrative Procedure Act," P.L.1968, c.410 (C.52:14B-1 et seq.)
necessary to effectuate the purposes of this act.
9. (New section) No person shall practice, or present himself as able
to practice, software [engineering] designing unless he possesses a
valid license as a software [engineer] designer in accordance with the
provision of this act.
10. (New section) The provisions of this act shall not be construed
to
prevent the following provided that no word, letter, abbreviation,
insignia, sign, card or device is used to convey the impression that
the
person rendering the service is a licensed software [engineer]
designer':
a. Any person licensed to practice in this State under any other
law
from engaging in the practice for which he is licensed;
b. Any person employed as a software [engineer] designer by the
federal government, if the person provides software [engineering]
designing services solely under the direction or control of his
federal employer; or
c. Any person pursuing a course of study leading to a degree or
certificate in software [engineering] designing at an accredited or
approved educational program if the person is designated by a title
which clearly indicates status as a student or trainee.
11. (New section) To be eligible for a licensure as a software
[engineer] designer an applicant shall submit to the board
satisfactory
evidence that he has:
a. Graduated from a program in software [engineering] designing
which has been approved for the education and training of software
[engineers] designers' by an accrediting agency recognized by the
Council on Post-Secondary Accreditation and the United States
Department of Education; or
Work experience in a current or previous position of employment
utilizing the theory and procedures of software designing for a
sufficient period of time as determined by the board; and
b. Successfully completed a written examination administered by the
board pursuant to section 14 of this act to determine his competence
to practice software [engineering] designing.
12. (New section) An applicant for licensure who is a graduate of a
foreign school of software [engineering] designing shall furnish
evidence satisfactory to the board that he has:
a. Completed a course of study in software [engineering] designing
which is substantially equivalent to that provided in an accredited
program described in subsection a. of section 11 of this act; and
b.Successfully completed a written examination administered by the
board pursuant to section 14 of this act.
13. (New section) A fee shall accompany each application for
licensure.
Licenses shall expire biennially on January 31 and may be renewed upon
submission of a renewal application provided by the board and a
payment
of a fee. If the renewal fee is not paid by that date, the license
shall automatically expire, but may be renewed within two years of its
expiration date upon payment to the board of a sum determined by it
for
each year or part thereof during which the license was expired and an
additional restoration fee. If a license has not been renewed within
two years of expiration, the license shall only be renewed by
complying
with the provisions of section 16 of this act or successfully
completing
the examination administered pursuant to section 14 of this act.
14. (New section) The written examination required in section 11, 12,
or 13 of this act shall test the applicant's knowledge of software
[engineering] designing theory and procedures and any other subjects
the
board may deem useful to test the applicant's fitness to practice
software [engineering] designing. Examinations shall be held within
the
State at least once every six months at a time and place to be
determined by the board. The board shall give adequate written notice
of the examination to applicants for licensure and examination.
If an applicant fails the examination twice, the applicant may take a
third examination not less than one year nor more than three years
from
the date of the applicant's initial examination. Additional
examinations shall be in accordance with standards set by the board.
15. (New section) The board shall issue a license to each applicant
for
licensure as a software [engineer] designer who qualifies pursuant to
the provisions of this act and any rules and regulations promulgated
by
the board.
16. (New section) Upon payment to the board of a fee and the
submission
a written application on forms provided by it, the board shall issue
without examination a license to a software [engineer] designer who
holds a valid license issued by another state or possession of the
United States or the District of Columbia which has standards for
licensure substantially equivalent to those of this State.
17. (New section) Upon payment to the board of a fee and the
submission
of a written application on forms provided by it, the board shall
issue
a temporary license to a person who has applied for licensure pursuant
to this act who, in the judgment of the board, is eligible for
examination. A temporary license shall be available to an applicant
upon initial application for examination. A person holding a
temporary
license may practice software [engineering] designing only under the
direct supervision of a licensed software [engineer] designer'. A
temporary license shall expire automatically upon failure of the
licensure examination but may be renewed for an additional six-month
period, until the date of the next examination at which time it shall
automatically expire and be surrendered to the board.
.
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