Re: The wonderful world of students, part 482834

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On Jun 4, 5:25 pm, Trent Woodruff <woodru...@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
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On Mon, 04 Jun 2007 08:46:55 -0700,
miander...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
wrote:
Wikipedia is fine for broad, general knowledge about
something, but
it
is inappropriate to be sourced in a paper or project
because it
isn't
authoritative. That is all mihos and kardex were
saying.
I was going outside the context of their specific
complaints(as after
that many posts just dealt with general wikipedia
bashing).........I'd
agree that in a formal research paper *citing* wikipedia
would be
sorta sketchy.
In general though I've noticed that a lot of people in
certain fields
who bash wikipedia in many cases don't have the level of
knowledge(without consulting another source) that
wikipedia has on a
subject they are bashing,

It also has had information about Jon Kerrey's homosexual
love affair
and that Michael Jordan played soccer in between his
basketball and
baseball careers.

and how long did it take to get that changed back?

for certain current events or controversial figures, that
kind of
stuff happens occasionally. But those type of instances
are
relatively minor snags compared to the usefulness of
wikipedia.

Wikipedia is very useful for information but it cannot be an
academic
source
for the exact occurence above, ie. it is too dynamic. One
must always be
able to go and look up an academic source and that source
cannot change
from
the state it was in when it was cited. Since Wikipedia can
be not only
updated, but also manipulated, it just can't be useful as a
true academic
cite.

That's the point of all this.

A lot of the anti-wikipedia snobbery isn't for that reason
though. I
think many academic types are just pissed that sources like
wikipedia
mean even more people won't be reading all the articles they
co-
authored that have never been read outside of the people who
reviewed
them for submission.

I highly doubt that is the reason.
Im not saying they're pissed because a colleague who also does
research on their little obscure area would consider going to
wikipedia to read about something in that field. They're pissed
because all the people who don't need some complex understanding
of it
can just go to another source to get the appropriate info
without even
doing a general check of the literature.
One of the problems with researcher types is that they
believe(for
whatever reason) that everyone cares about their little pet area
of
research. We don't.

Amazing. Especially for a medical student.
why is it amazing? Are you under the impression that most medical
students are interested in genome mapping of the virulence factors
for
campylobacter or something like that? Because if so, you're very
mistaken.

I suspect that, if you were a history major, you would whine about
any class where they talked about history of a place or a type of
person that was outside of your area of concentration.

I suspect that you are lying in what you say about lectures.

I suspect that half of your lying is saying that non-clinician
lecturers rarely spoke of issues at all relevant to clinical
practice.
why would they? they aren't clinicians, so why would they be speaking
heavily about clinical correlations? and note that that's not why I
complained- it's when they go on tangents that aren't board-relevant
in addition to not being clinically relevant. Sometimes clinicians
would give lectures that weren't high yield for boards but they had
clinical content that could be applied in clinical rotations.

I suspect you're using a different definition of clinically relevant
than I am.

I suspect he other half of your lying is in your
inability to understand why a clinician should know something
about how the biology of the body actually works
you're not listening to what Im saying then.....because Im not saying
then. I understand(for obvious reasons) why a clinician must know
physiology for example.

Why should a urologist know the physiology of the rest of the body?


because any surgeon should be familar with basic hemodynamic and
respiratory physiology for example........that seems like common
sense.

The point is that I don't go around telling you what your doctoral
program in neuroscience or engineering or whatever it is you are
studying is like, so why should you do the same with me? I've never
been enrolled in a neuroscience/engineering graduate program and
you've never been enrolled in medical school......so I'll stick to
commenting about what my cirriculum is like(and not yours) and you'd
be better of sticking to what your program of study is like(and not
mine).

We have a couple of MD/PhDs in our program.

And I have a good idea about what doctors need to know before
they work on me and my family.

Do you really think that medical schools would REALLY teach such
a huge percentage of useless lectures to our doctors? I'm starting
to see why you like chiropractic, homeopathy, and osteopathy so
much.

More importantly, why he is going into psychiatry.

I wonder if he's going to be at the current forefront of
making psychiatry into a branch of neuroscience.

rich
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