Re: Top General "Under the Gun"

Jim Gysin <jimgysin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 04:07:57 -0000, rich hammett
<bubbarichau@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Minun olisi pit?nyt tiet??, olisi pit?nyt tiet??,
olisi pit?nyt tiet?? KUKA SIN? OLET, Jim Gysin:
rich hammett sent the following on 3/23/2007 11:48 AM:
Minun olisi pit?nyt tiet??, olisi pit?nyt tiet??,
olisi pit?nyt tiet?? KUKA SIN? OLET, Jim Gysin:

Well, yeah. They just have to be a member of one of the privileged and
protected groups or classes, as you've been pointing out repeatedly.
For example, if the Enlightened Ones included Germans as a protected
class in their "hate crimes" playbook, then I could have some crimes
committed against me that are unlikely to happen to, say, an Irishman.
'Cuz, you know, I'm German and he's not.

But oddly enough, Germans aren't protected by "hate crime" laws, but
gays are. Go figure. It almost seems like someone is picking and
choosing which groups deserve special protection and privileges.

Good hate crime laws (if there is such a thing)

There isn't.

give specific protection
to specific groups that are under a specific risk of specific attack.

And the "specifics" are defined and quantified entirely arbitrarily and
in politically correct ways to ensure that politically correct groups
get special considerations.

Can you imagine some group of people saying that it is good to attack
gays or jews? Can you imagine that that happens every day?

If there are German attack groups started next century, then I expect
we would eventually have special laws to protect Germans from those
attacks.

Why? Why not just charge them with attacking a human being? Because
otherwise, the same thing would happen that I already alluded to in the
gays scenario. Specifically, eventually and as a result of the
additional disincentives that the law has now created for attacking
Germans, random attackers would go out of their way to ensure that they
were not attacking Germans, and OTHER non-German individuals and groups
would suffer unfairly as a result.

It's just another example of how every action has a reaction. Protect
one group with preferential treatment, and you ultimately harm another
group as a result. It's far better to focus on the ACTION of the crime,
instead of the "hate" that was or wasn't (and can't be proved, short of
mind-reading) behind it.

You are an idiot.

In other words, you disagree in your usual tiresome way?

Can you explain a case where a perfectly random
attacker has been convicted of a hate crime of some kind?

"Explain a case"? I don't have to "explain" an ACTUAL case for my
point to be valid. As for a HYPOTHETICAL case, it would be easy. Just
imagine your run-of-the-mill bar fight over, say, the relative merits
of 'Bama and Auburn. (I would see that as a relatively short
discussion either way, but that's another story.) In any case, the
guy who ends up on the short end of things turns out to be gay, and
the other guy has made comments in the past to the effect that, say,
he finds homosexual acts to be immoral. At trial, prosecutors bring
up examples of these comments posted on, say, a newsgroup full of
opinionated people, and uses this information to get a hate crime
conviction, even though, at the time of the bar fight, the guy had no
clue that the other guy was gay. He just thought he was a stupid
[insert team of choice here] fan.

Said prosecutor has to prove to the judge/jury "beyond a reasonable
doubt" that the crime was for reason of the victim's actual or
perceived sexuality.

--
Aaron
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