Re: I donut think she's read the same Bible....

On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 14:44:17 -0800, "Charles Beauchamp" <c.e.beauchamp@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Trent Woodruff" <woodruffs@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
On Sat, 3 Mar 2007 10:40:13 -0800, "Charles Beauchamp"
<c.e.beauchamp@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"Trent Woodruff" <woodruffs@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

Since Christianity's basic tenets include the belief that Jesus is
the ONLY way to Heaven....Jesus is even quoted on this. Not the only
way for Christians....the only way for everyone.

So then if someone has NEVER HEARD of Jesus, they are doomed to
eternal damnation? That makes sense to you?

Recognizing that you are going to fly off the rails, I am going to explain
this in a simple way that is absolutely accurate Scripturally.
People do not go to Hell because they have never heard of Jesus. People
are doomed to Hell because of sin.

That doesn't change the question at all. Since we are all born into
sin and cannot avoid it, if someone has not heard of Jesus, they would
be doomed to Hell because of it.

They are doomed to Hell because of sin. Not because of a lack of hearing
about Jesus.

That's certainly not necessarily true as far as the REALITY goes. In
REALITY, these individual sinners may be more than open to accepting
the idea of Jesus' divinity, but have never heard of him. In those
instances, they are being sent to Hell for not having heard of Jesus.

The way you are asking it makes clear that you have this
notion (a common one) that there are somehow people in Hell who are innocent
because they didn't hear about Christ.

If such a place exists, it is almost certainly the case as far as
reality goes. You can dance around the semantics if you'd like, but
the reality is right there.

That is simply incorrect. It is sin (which comes with a decision)

Actually, the Bible differs with this. We DON'T have that
decision...we are born into sin and not one of us can POSSIBLY live a
life without sin. So essentially, God has preordained that those
people will be sent to Hell.

So when someone pretends that there is a difference between saying Jesus
is the only way for Christians means something other then there are other
ways...that person is simply put calling Jesus Christ a liar. Jesus said
there is no other way. He said it repeatedly over his three year
ministry.

So then your God is not a just God? Is that what you're saying?

Nice try. I have said no such thing. I have said nothing approaching that.

Great, then why don't you please address that point. Is God just or
not?

What you have is a basic issue with the Sovereignty of God. He is the one
who determines what is right and what is sin. God defines Justice..not
Trent Woodruff or Charles Beauchamp.

So then it is your contention that God IS just? Even though he
preordains that some people will spent eternity in Hell through
absolutely no fault of their own?

Because if Jesus is the only way to Heaven and there are people in the
world who have never heard of Jesus, then your God cannot be just.

This is a silly reasoning that discards what was said above. People go to
Hell because of sin. Sin is by choice.

Sin is NOT by choice, as the Bible clearly states. We are born into
sin and CANNOT POSSIBLY live a life that is sin-free. It's not
possible.

be one innocent person in Hell. Justice sends people to Hell. Mercy allows
a way to Heaven.

Sending people to hell for no fault of their own is not justice, by
any use of the word.

It doesn't sound as if your God is just to me.

Well that would be an issue between you and Him....but I am speaking on the
content of Scripture and how it absolutely refutes the nonsense that this
woman preacher is saying. Your problem with God as I have stated in the
past is a eprsonal problem. It doesn't change that content of what I have
said here, nor make my comments innaccurate.

According to Scripture, your God is not just.



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...."I am certain that most Americans find your whining unbecoming of an NCO.
Thank you for quitting. This country doesn't need your kind of leadership.
Your kind weaken national security."
Charles Beauchamp, 25 Nov 06

...."Yep the Air Force is scraping rock bottom if a psycho like you could be
anywhere near leadership. You work in a training command? No wonder we are
losing the war in Iraq. Yep.....it is your fault. Now put that in your sig
too ***."
Charles Beauchamp, 19 Feb 07

...."Whatever the standards are today they need to be high enough to
prevent people like you from entering - we've lost enough wars
recently."
Hugh Sullivan, 26 Jan 07
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