Re: Castro Buys His Ticket to 10-3-39


Charles Beauchamp wrote:
Jon Enslin wrote:
Charles Beauchamp wrote:
Jon Enslin wrote:
Charles Beauchamp wrote:
Jon Enslin wrote:
Charles Beauchamp wrote:
Jon Enslin wrote:
leinbacker wrote:
Jon Enslin wrote:
alicamdun@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Jon Enslin, Cuba Libre!

Trevor Zion Bauknight wrote:
In article
<1154403842.036720.163890@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Dan Bretta" <nudan92@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Patiently waiting in line..........

As are we all. But really, what has Castro done, anyway?

Nothing this side of the Cuban missle crisis...oh, and
sending all of his criminals out on boats to Miami.

That whole mass murder, repression & drug trafficking kind of
bothers me too. But I'm silly that way.


Breaking news. He's a Latin American dictator.

I just find our obsession about him strange when there have
been leaders just as bad in other parts of the hemisphere.
(I do realize it's because of the massive anti-Castro Cuban
contingent in the swing state of Florida, but still...)

Well, maybe part of it was Cuba's contribution towards
destabilizing countries in Africa and pointing nucular missiles
at us.


40 years ago (and they never had the missles to point.) That
was before China was supplying the Vietcong - and now China is
our largest trading partner. (And they still have missles
pointing at us.)

Ralph is 100% right here. Politicians really don't care all
that much that Castro is a communist dictator. They just don't
want to piss off a significant voting bloc in a swing state.

Jon

I find it heartwarming the concern you liberals of RSFC have for
the basic human rights of the freedom loving people of Republica
De Cuba. Brings a tear to my eye to be sure. At least you and
Ralph's true hammer and sickle colors are plainly on display for
all to see!


Oh, I have concerns over human rights. I also realize that the
two-faced way we approach countries with massive human rights
issues. (Cuba and China for instance.) One is economically
important to us while the other one isn't, so we hold our nose and
deal with one and rhetorically attack the other. This has been
our basic policy for decades.


Your concern for the basic human rights of the freedom loving
people of Republica De Cuba is wonderful to see. Especially in
it's practical application. I mean, nothing like advocating
foreign policy that is utterly self destructive! Well done.

What is utterly self-destructive? I'm not saying that we should cut
off ties with China, I'm just saying that we treat the two countries
very differently based upon our policial and economic
self-interests. There is nothing inherently wrong with that - I
just find it odd.



And keep up. Insinuating that someone is a communist is SOOOO
1950s....


Defending communism is so early 70's. What did you not only miss
the last 15 years of Iraq..did you somehow manage to miss the
entire history of Communism in the western hemisphere? Jon I
seriously am amazed that you can walk and breath at the same time.

Communism is dead. The difference between a right wing dictator
and a left wing dictator is nil. Oppression is oppression no
matter the rhetoric that is used.

Jon

And apparently semantics is alive and well. Cuba, North Korea and
China say HI btw. Ask their governments if they are Communist. I
mean damn....you liberals must have a real hard time convincing
yourselves that the terrorists don't mean what they say they
mean..that W lied about WMDs when Saddam admitted having them....and
now...Communism..eh..no big deal.

Charles, it doesn't matter if the remaining countries of the world
call themselves "communist" or "socialist" or "scientologist." They
are just dictators. Honestly, do you really think that North Korea,
Cuba or Vietnam are attempting to follow the bizarre ideas put
forward by Karl Marx? No...they are just two-bit dictatorships using
rhetoric to back up their misdeeds.


No Jon. The governments of China, North Korea and Cuba are not trying to
follow the idealistic notions of Karl Marx. The governments of China, North
Korea and Cuba are the RESULT of those vapid ideas. There is a cause and
effect.

They are not.

They dropped that long ago. They still play lip service to it, but if
given the choice between creating the ideal communist state and the
status quo, those leaders would choose the latter because they care
about power more than they care about ideology.

It's human nature. You see the exact same thing, albiet to a lesser
extent, in our Congress. People care more about staying in power than
good public policy.






Communism was defeated. It is not spreading because it was
defeated. The defeat of Communism does not suddenly change the fact
that it was a horribly destructive ideology..it just means..the good
guys did win.

I wholeheartedly agree with your statement. That is why I said up
above "Communism is dead."


You didn't complete the thought. Rather you diminished the effect by all
those other pesky words you threw in there. So no..we were not saying the
same thing. You made pretty clear that you didn't think it was all that big
of a deal. I contend that it is the main deal of the 20th Century. More
impactful then Naziism.


Oh wait..that
would be a moral judgement and you guys belive only in moral
equivalency. Nevermind.

Yet another insult. You're taking the high road again.


Calling you on what you actually believe is an insult. Therefor what you
believe is insulting. It must suck to live in such pain. How does if feel
to have your thoughts run on spin cycle all the time?

Keep it up Charles. You look real good.

Jon

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