Re: So, I finally did it.. XBox Live..


Jefferson N Glapski wrote:
> xyzzy wrote:
> > Jefferson N Glapski wrote:
> >> Bryan S. Slick wrote:
> >>> At about Sun, 29 Jan 2006 23:43:50 GMT, Jefferson N Glapski was
> >>> dragged into the street and beaten by an angry mob for writing..
> >>>
> >>>>> Are you still stealing bandwidth from a neighbor? That might be
> >>>>> your problem.
> >>>>
> >>>> No, I am not using the bandwidth that has entered my property. Too
> >>>> bad your aren't a credible human being, or I'd kick your ass at
> >>>> XBOX.
> >>>
> >>> Not only does that not make any sense, it's pretty funny how some
> >>> people can rationalize their way around anything. Heh. "bandwidth
> >>> that has entered my property".. that's a riot!
> >>
> >> So you would have no problems with Xrays that would enter your home
> >> 24/7?
> >
> > So am I to understand that you think that if the "bandwidth" has
> > "entered your property," it's yours to use as you see fit? Apparently
> > you feel that way about any radio signal?
>
> Do you have an answer for my question? I know Prick won't answer it, but you
> might.
>
> If you don't want people using your bandwidth, encrypt it. Do you think you
> have a right to invade others' property with sound? If my neighbor plays a
> song whose sound permeates my property, will you get apoplectic when my foot
> starts tapping or I sing along?
>
> > I'm sure the cell phone and satellite TV operators, just to name a
> > few, will be disappointed to hear that. After all, their radio waves
> > permeate the air around me where-ever I go, including at home, so I
> > guess I must be justifed in stealing their service. But on the bright
> > side, at least the NSA and the CIA can now eavesdrop on you with a
> > clear conscience.
>
> So you don't listen to the radio?

The people who create and pay for the AM/FM radio signals (and TV
signals) intend for me to receivem and use them. The neighbor with the
open wireless router does not intend for you to use it(*) and does not
benefit from that use . As a matter of fact you are reducing the
neighbor's available bandwidth. It's not that hard a distinction to
make.

(*) assuming it's not a honey trap and the neighbor is actually
monitoring everything you send over his connection and getting identity
and CC info to steal -- wouldn't that be ironic! Of course if it was
you'd be OK with it because you were transmitting that info over radio
signals that are ENTERING HIS PROPERTY!!1!!!!!

> FWIW, I pay for my satellite services. One difference in that case is that
> satellite providers provide the equipment to pick up their signal, either
> illegally or legally. If picked up illegally, they are altering the property
> that that provider has sold them *conditionally.*

What if, instead of hacking the satellite provider's equipment, people
buy or make their own hacking equipment from someone else? Would that
make it OK?

> > Btw, can you point me to where Ayn Rand condones this? I don't
> > remember reading her essay on how to justify not paying for the fruits
> > of others' labors that you use.
>
> You'd have to consult John Locke. When was the last time you paid Madame
> Curie? I'm pretty sure that you've used pasteurized products.

That's a stupid non-sequitir. I pay for the pasturized products I use.
the makes of those products paid for the pasturization equipment and
the use of any patents, if any, on the process, and what I pay to them
reflects, in part, that cost.

.

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