RUTSie Nomination Reminder Thingy Revisitted/Flame of the Year

4. TimV
Nov 11 2005, 7:33 pm show options

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From: "TimV" <tvanwagoner_yourknicke...@xxxxxx> - Find messages
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Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 03:33:52 GMT
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Subject: Re: Paterno and this obsession with funding the library
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> TimV wrote:
>> <miander...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>> > What's with this BS about paterno saying the key to every
institution
>> > of higher learning is to have a great library? I mean if he
wants to
>> > give several million dollars to PSU's library and everything
that's
>> > great, but I have to wonder if he understands anything about the
>> > academic world(in regards to IT and sources) at this point at
all? I
>> > mean it doesn't take a shitload of money to make a library great
these
>> > days.....everything is pretty much the same everywhere. I can
get the
>> > same online medline journal sources through the online directory
at MCG
>> > than I can get at Harvard then I can get at mercer than I can get
at
>> > MTSU than I can get at Northwestern and on and on and on. It's
like
>> > he's 30 yeard behind the curve on this stuff.


>> > I just don't understand where he is coming from here. I mean
it'as
>> > great that he wants to give a great deal of his salary away, but
I dont
>> > think he knows what the hell he is doing with regards to where it
could
>> > be used most effectively.


>> Do you have any idea how much those online medical journals cost
for a
>> subscription (not your personal subscription but institutional
>> subscriptions)?


> yes I do. Do you also realize that *almost every* medical school
has
> all the relevant ones? And it's the same in physical science or
> anthropology or literary reviews or whatever at the undergrad and
grad
> levels. My point is that PSU isn't going to have any more of these
> major peer review journals than another large state magnet
institution
> because of joepa's contributions. Im just curious as to how this
money
> joepa is pumping into the library is making a difference? nicer
johns,
> nicer upholstry, a nicer snack room....what????



There are literally thousands of science journals. Go to
sciencedirect.com
just to see those offered by Elsevier. But in your small
medical-school
centered mind, you don't realize how many materials that libraries
must have
cannot be purchased for online access. Nor do you realize just how
much
those journal access rights cost. Paterno's contributions might be
small,
but they could make the difference of several hundred other books,
journals
or whatever. Every little bit helps in a library budget when they are
stretched so thin.


> Do you realize there are many, many other books and
>> resources not available online.

> yeah, but the big ones are also standard everywhere. Hell even at
> regional non-research unis they are standard.


> >Do you realize you are a complete idiot?


> Well, no. I obviously know a lot more than you about this
particular
> subject....as indicated by this discussion.



No, not really. My wife was a librarian at a Law School and she has a
MLIS
so I'm well aware of how much trouble libraries are in. I'm also a
researcher at a medical school. I've seen libraries have to drop
journal
subscriptions because the cost of subscriptions have skyrocketed. I've
been
in this field a hell of a lot longer than you and I guarantee I've
needed
far broader journal access than you ever will. I also know plenty of
collegues who've sat on library boards trying to make decisions about
which
journals to keep when their budgets didn't go up but their journal
subscriptions went up 25% that year.

I've seen you open your mouth and pontificate on so many things you
are
completely clueless on. You're one of those know-it-all snots and this
is
just another example of that. I have one suggestion for you: go into
pathology. You've certainly got the personality for it and you'll be
less
likely to kill someone.


T



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