Re: Say What You Want About Reagan...

walstib77 wrote:
> Jon Enslin wrote:
>> walstib77 wrote:
>>> Jon Enslin wrote:
>>>> walstib77 wrote:
>>>>> alicamdun@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
>>>>>> But he'd fix the transit strike in a hurry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Tom Enright
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure.
>>>>>
>>>>> Why do workers need a living wage, anyway?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> First, the strike is illegal. For every day on strike, they lose
>>>> two days pay.
>>>>
>>>> Second, right now the workers pay nothing for a full, comprehensive
>>>> health care policy, have the ability to retire at age 55 while only
>>>> contributing 2% of their pre-tax compensation to this retirement,
>>>> and have been offered wage increases in the 3-4% range. Most of
>>>> these employees currently make between $47,000 and $55,000 per
>>>> year before overtime.
>>>>
>>>> *This* isn't a "living wage?"
>>>
>>> You are framing a midwestern perception of the cost of living
>>> against a New York City cost of living, which is among the highest
>>> in the nation.
>>>
>>> When I lived out there over ten years ago, there was no apartment
>>> available in Manhattan for under $1000; the rate for one room, one
>>> toilet was higher than that.
>>>
>>> I lived in a studio in Hoboken, and it was $850. And that was a
>>> pretty good deal.
>>>
>>> Peruse the classifieds in the Village Voice if you want to get an
>>> idea of what it would cost to house a family of four. THen imagine
>>> the same inflated rates for movies, dinner, etc.
>>
>> So you are saying that it is impossible to live on $50,000 per year,
>> free health care and retiring at 55 in New York City?
>
> I am saying that it costs a lot to live there.
>
> Ranking Urban Areas State Index
> 1 Manhattan New York(NY) 203.9
> 2 San Fransisco California(CA) 178.7
> 3 San Jose California(CA) 167.2
> 4 Honolulu Hawaii(HI) 156.9
> 5 Los Angeles - Long Beach California(CA) 153.7
> 6 Orange County California(CA) 152.8
> 7 Oakland California(CA) 150.7
> 8 Stamford Connecticut(CT) 148.0
> 9 San Diego California(CA) 146.9
> 10 Nassau County New York(NY) 144.1
>
> 50k per annum in Manhattan, having an index twice the national
> average, would therefore compare to living in Averagetown USA at $25k
> per year.
>
> I say that's rough, if you're a working stiff with a family.
>
> Even if you live out in the greater NYC area, you're looking at
> considerable cost of living. If you pay a third more for everything,
> then 47,000 compares to about $35k in the average city.
>
> That's not a lot for drivng a bus through NYC, IMO. But the national
> perception has changed; people no longer believe that workers putting
> in 40 hours a week should earn middle-class incomes.
>
> $35,000 a week in the average city is *not* a middle class income.
>
> Our country believes now that both parents should work, and if their
> kids don;t turn outr right, it's their fault for not being at home
> more often.
>
> This is because this is the Compassionate Conservative Horatio Alger
> bull that the conservatives leverage to paint the pinko commie labor
> unions as greedy and unworthy.
>
> Well folks, Ebeneezer Scrooge (R) just voted to cut taxes on the
> wealthy while they stuck it to the poor, the elderly, the students,
> and the vets to pull it off.
>

You mean sock it to the poor by raising HHS spending over 40% in the last 4
years? That socking it to the poor? Or do you mean by tax cuts for the
wealthy the doubling in Child Tax credits and increases in Earned Income
Credit as well as setting the tax lines so that 50% of the country pays no
Federal Income tax? That socking it to the poor? The poor get a windfall
under the current system far greater then what they ever got before W was
inaugurated. It is always amazing to me how liberals fire up this garbage
about tax cuts without applying the common sense test. Essentially in this
country virtually every parent has gotten a tax cut under this President. A
fairly substantial one.

> And these ungrateful people working in NYC don;t know how lucky they
> are to get paid a red cent.
>
> Fv[|< 'em. My Country Club just raised the menu prices again, and if I
> want to keep up with the Joneses, I'm gonna need to get a bigger
> yacht.
>
>>>> The MTA wants to require *new* employees to contribute 1% of their
>>>> salary toward health care and 6% toward retirement. So 33,000
>>>> people have put their livelihood at risk so that new employees can
>>>> have the same benefits they have?
>>>
>>> If it were me, there is NO WAY I would conceed to go from 0% to 1%.
>>> Why? Because health care is what it's at, baybee. THis is the
>>> battleground of compensation, and it's what we'relooking at being
>>> the biggest consideration in the near future. Companies don't want
>>> to support national health care, but they don't want to pay the
>>> premiums for the current system. If GM and Ford had supported
>>> national health care ten years ago, maybe they wouldn't be where
>>> they are right now--with the wolf at the door.
>>>
>>> That concession is the first step in a slippery slope, and you and I
>>> know that the first step will open the door.
>>
>> C'mon...I heard these arguments ten years ago when the state of
>> Wisconsin first made me pay for health care. It is still $35 per
>> month.
>
> The singular example does not address the larger issue, and that is
> that health care is where it is all coming to a boiling point.
>
> The saying "as goes GM, so goes America" used to be pretty true.
>
> Well, GM is going under because of health care, so they say.
>
> It needs to be addressed. We are the only major industrialized nation
> in the world without universal health care. We are becoming a
> second-world nation.

Goodness you are so lost in your radical BS.

There is no nation on the planet with our economic power, or relevant
quality of life. You haven't traveled to any poor countries eh? Oh and the
2nd world...fell in the early 90's. It was in all the papers. How did you
miss it?

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v/r Dread Pirate Rackham

I believe if you can't say something nice about somebody, you must be
talking about Hillary Clinton -- Jeff Foxworthy




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