Re: MERRY CHRISTMAS.. it's okay to say it!

In article <1133544745.481528.134660@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"Tom Enright" <freddy_hayek@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> > > > >> The ACLU opposes government endorsement of religion, particularly
> > > > >> in grade schools.
> > >
> > > > > Replace "religion" with "Christianity" than I'd agree.
> > >
> > > > Deer loard you're a paranoid idiot. And I mean that
> > > > constructively.
> > > >
> > > > If there was ANY DANGER of a US government endorsing, say,
> > > > Islam or Wicca, the ACLU would be right there to stop it.
> > >
> > > I base my statement on the fact that there are numerous examples
> > > of the ACLU not pursuing some religion/government issues involving
> > > non-Christians that they would routinely do if Christians were
> > > involved.
>
> > For example.
>
> http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/001560.php
>
> Would the ACLU allow the Lord's Prayer announced over
> loud speakers so an entire city could hear? Five times
> a day? Starting at 6:00AM?

Why does it have to be the Lord's Prayer? Because that's the
equivalence the Christians who oppose the call to prayer chose to draw?
Church bells ring day and night where I live, all over town, and they
play little Christian songs before they're done. In downtown Columbia,
SC, a rooster crows and "Step To The Rear" plays over giant loudspeakers
three times a day. Is football religion? Well, among the fans of the
Gamecocks, faith, the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of
things not seen, has never been stronger.

Christians have their panties in a wad about the visibility (or
audibility) of the existence of another religion, and they're up in arms
even though whatever local noise ordinances exist there clearly don't
apply to their bells. It's pure hypocrisy; but please note that the
ACLU is not fighting the bells, it's fighting for freedom.

> http://www.jihadwatch.org/dhimmiwatch/archives/007997.php
>
> For some reason the ACLU doesn't have a problem with
> prayer in school:
>
> "Her family contacted a Muslim advocacy group, the Council
> on American-Islamic Relations, which asked the school
> district to reconsider. Eventually, the district acknowledged
> it had no policy preventing a student from praying on his or
> her own during free time, and allowed Yasmeen to use an
> empty classroom to unfurl her prayer rug, face Mecca and
> touch her head to the floor in a few moments of worship."

Christians are not restricted in any way from praying, during their free
time or in the middle of an exam, in public schools. What is restricted
is having agents of the state "lead" prayer (and why do people need to
be lead in prayer anyway?). You know this, yet you still hold it up as
an example of Christian persecution or the ACLU standing up for rights
of some when it wouldn't stand up for the same right for Christians.
You're almost totally intellectually dishonest. At my high school, in
Sumter, SC, the least time I went to a football game there, a local
PASTOR was brought in to give the invocation, full-on in the name of
Jesus. Not a student, not even an administrator. I'm a big fan of
Jesus, and I was astounded...

> http://www.danielpipes.org/article/2236
>
> http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/134215.php
>
> >From the SacBee.com:
>
> "Christian students and parents cannot sue a school district
> where some seventh-graders pretended to be Muslims for
> three weeks during a course in world history, a federal appeals
> court ruled Thursday."
>
> "Brooke Carlin encouraged her students to play at being
> Muslims - adopt Muslim names, recite a line from a prayer
> and give up candy or television to simulate fasting, for example.
> Students were permitted to opt out. On the final exam they
> were asked to critique elements of Muslim culture."

"Students were permitted to opt out." This was an exercise, a pretense.
Christians should be used to that...but anyway, what did the ACLU have
to do with this case, or the one below? I don't see any mention in the
snippets you provided, and I don't know who Daniel Pipes is.

> http://www.danielpipes.org/article/430
>
> "Become a Muslim warrior during the crusades or during
> an ancient jihad." Thus read the instructions for seventh
> graders in Islam: A Simulation of Islamic History and
> Culture, 610-1100, a three-week curriculum produced by
> Interaction Publishers, Inc. In classrooms across the
> United States, students who follow its directions find
> themselves fighting mock battles of jihad against "Christian
> crusaders" and other assorted "infidels." Upon gaining
> victory, our mock-Muslim warriors "Praise Allah."
>
> Is this a legal activity in American public schools?
> Interaction says it merely urges students to "respect
> Islamic culture" through identification with Islam. But the
> Thomas More Law Center, a public-interest law firm
> based in Michigan, disagrees and last week filed a
> federal lawsuit to prohibit one school district, in Byron,
> California, from further using the Interaction materials
> on Islam."

--
Trev

"Every Democratic Senator is to the right of Kerry..including
Kucinich." - C. Beauchamp
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