Re: Thankfully, Katrina wasn't as bad as expected...but...

Justice Guy wrote: 
stephenj wrote:

Justice Guy wrote:

stephenj wrote: 

Jesus, it's a full-on tobacco industry lawyer defense! Yes, it's
probably
impossible to connect the dots between Bush/Chertoff/Brown et al
and any one particular dead body, but as a test for culpability that's
narrow and stringent to the point of absurdity (and I think you know
that despite your adamant refusal to admit it, thus your disgusting
display of pedantry).


What makes my test narrow and stringent? It's reasonable to expect that
if someone claims Bush et al. screwed up in a way that actually cost
lives, they should be able to identify those who suffered and explain
the linkage. I'm not asking for scientific-journal-level causality, just
something reasonable.

Absent that, it's just vacuous demogogic rhetoric.

Remember, we have good reason to doubt your side's veracity. The initial
wave of criticism was that "the city flooded because Bush gutted the
flood-control budget and gave the money to the rich via tax cuts". We
haven't heard that one in a while, because it came out that in fact Bush
spent more money on flood control in New Orleans the past 5 years than
Clinton did his last 5 years.

The next line of attack was that "the war in Iraq meant that there
weren't enough National Guard troops in Louisiana to take control of the
situation". But we haven't heard that one in a while because several
guard and military commanders said it just wasn't so, that there was
more than enough man-power available in the state to do just that.

So now the party line is "FEMA bureaucracy and bungling  kept help from
arriving to the people at the super dome and convention center days
after it should have arrived". Of course there's no evidence that this
is true and there's every reason to believe that getting large
quantities of food/water help by friday to the inner portion of a city
devestated by flooding on tuesday and wednesday was in fact more than
reasonably good performance. But that hasn't stopped the blatherers from
asserting otherwise....


The cluelessness of Bush/Chertoff/Brown et al is well-documented. 

Meaningless, unless that translated into actual losses.


Their own words betray a lack of understanding and readiness to
handle this situation.


Even if true, that's meaningless unless i translated into actual losses.


In a disaster where hundreds-to-thousands
die, some by abandonment and exposure to the elements, that kind
of ignorance costs lives.


Not necessarily, not even usually. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.

The bodies are being counted. So far, of the 700 that died, it's obvious
that the overwhelming majority died during the storm, which no one could
have prevented. We'll see how it all shakes out.


Sorry if that's not good enough for you, but I get the feeling that
a dead body in the Oval Office and a bloody knife in Bush's hand
wouldn't be good enough for you.


That's because you're biased.


--

"what if Saddam fails to comply, and we fail to act?
He will conclude that he can do more to build an
arsenal of devastating destruction. And someday,
some way, i guarantee you, he'll use the arsenal."

- President Bill Clinton, explaining why
  Hussein must be forced to admit
  UN weapons inspectors, 1998


Your denial is classic

Translation: All your arguments were taken out to the trash but you lack the integrity to admit it. Ok, duly noted.

--

 "if federal judges have the final word over its meaning,
the Constitution would be a mere thing of wax in the hands
of the judiciary, which they may twist and shape into any form
they please".

- Thomas Jefferson
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