Re: Reasonable Tournament Fees
- From: ulticritic <ulticritic@xxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2010 05:42:17 -0800 (PST)
On Dec 1, 6:01 pm, Colin <colinmcint...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 1, 3:53 pm, ulticritic <ulticri...@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Dec 1, 2:10 pm, colinmcintyre <colinmcint...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
colinmcintyre wrote on Wed, 01 December 2010 11:38
Is it difficult to put on a good event? Not really.
But it does require a good amount of work from a competent
I should just clarify briefly. My point was to say
providing the basic requirements of a good event is not very
complicated, but it still takes a good amount of work. I am
well aware that there are added complications involved in
running an event, and the larger the event, the more
complicated things become. Just wanted to preemptively
indicate that my comments were not intended to discount the
efforts of tournament organizers.
all im askin is what are these teams getting from events today that
justfy costs tripling that they werent getting 20 years ago. i
understaand inflation and all but damnnnnn. i guess costs are based
on what the most expensive tournaments cost to run (i.e. events that
dont have the benefit of having seemingly endless resources from their
It would surprise me a lot of field costs haven't increased
significantly in the past 20 years, though I don't have data on it.
But if you're asking about the value provided by tournaments, doesn't
it make sense to make an actual measurement of value? For that
purpose, I think $30/hr fields are worth $30/hr, whether a university
provides them for free or not.
I think that providing affordable events is good for growth of the
sport, and finding affordable fields is a key to this. At the same
time, I think it is bad for the sport for players to have unrealistic
expectations, in terms of feeling entitled to attend very high quality
events at very low cost. That is a strong pressure towards lower-
quality events (less safe, less professionally presented, more poorly
organized, etc.). There's a balance to be reached. A willingness to
pay a reasonable fee for a good event will help push our sport forward
just as much as a dedication to providing affordable events.
Assuming free fields and free volunteer staffing/organization is, in
my view, the wrong starting point. I think that understanding the
unsubsidized cost of an event, and then understanding where savings
can be made would be a better starting point.
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colin....i'm kinda just playin devils advocate here a little in that
"some people" have critisized the standardization of observers (as the
uoa has done with out any problems) due to the extra expenses incurred
wiith that facilitation. all i'm trying to do is make a point of
comparison to when i was running events, what i charged back in the
day, what i provided, all in relation to whats being charged today.
and as far as i can tell, from going to some of the easterns events
(did i mention i founded that event) the last few years there is
nothing that is being provided now that wasnt then......so why should
the price to play more than tripple? i mean, if there is so much
money being left on the table then couldnt/shouldnt this surplus of
cash be going towards providing the most important facilitation a
tourny can have (after fields of course).
on the one hand, someone such as yourself has come out to challenge
the importance/nessesity of standardizing observers and used the extra
costs as the main reason yet when i simply challenge the seemingly
unjustified hikes in entry fees you are supportive of td's charging
higher fees for, essesntially,nuthin......other than keeping up with
the maximum costs that td's CAN charge.
look at the uoa, they are charging about the same as all these other
events (300 t0 400 i presume) BUT half of their expenses go directly
to paying the observers.......so if he DIDNT provide that killer
amenity would he still be justified in charging that standard $375
fee????? i dont think so.
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