Re: Ultimate vs. Dischoops

Hey Frank,
good to see you posting online again, however not so good to see the
'negative only' style that you bring to the table. I'd love to see
you highlight the advantages of Dischoops not compared to Ultimate,
but rather as a stand alone. I mean surely you don't want to piggy
back on a sport you disagree with so much. I'm not saying you can't
post critiques, in fact I think most of us here welcome that about any
disc sport, after all this is rsd, not Ultimate Central.

In the Ultimate 'highlight' videos, there is absolutely ZERO disc handling
skills.  None.  Nada.  No air bounces, reverse air bounces, not a single
give and go of any variety, no misdirection, no play fakes, nothing.  All
you see is garden variety sidearm and backhands, mostly poorly thrown and
usually with travels.  All the throws end up with lay out catches (a
consequence of an inaccurate throw) or circus leaps in crowds.
In the dischoops video, all you see is disc handling.  This video was taken
on a day when half (4 out of 8) of the players had never played before.  The
video was just hacked together from a pickup scrimmage and it's far more
entertaining than any Ultimate 'highlight' reel I've ever seen posted on
youTube.  The range and spectrum of skills in the dischoops video is an
order of magnitude greater than that on the ultimate videos.

Now, to reply to your specific post as opposed to your traditional
anti-Ultimate rhetoric I direct you to a slightly more monetarily
successful business than either Ultimate or Dischoops. Take a gander
at some of the video summaries of games over at www.nfl.com/videos .
The type of plays they highlight tend to get repetitive if you watch
each and every highlight each week. They tend to focus on runs that
go for the length of the field, or well thrown deep balls or plays
that gain important first downs or any play that goes for a score. On
the defensive side they focus on some good tackles, pass breakups
etc. However, comparing that to a full game of football, you don't
really see a wide range of the skill types or play types that occur.
I mean where are the plays that gain 2/3 yards that set up crucial
position to open the field up for the next play. Where's the
highlighting of lineman's different techniques. I dont' think we need
to go into a discussion of what types of run blocking we see good
examples of and not each week.
However, to make my point slightly more clear, main stream sports
highlight the 'exciting' parts of sports, not the nitty-gritty useful
skill that sets up a big play or that opens up a mark for a huck the
next time that handler touches the disc. It seems that no one denies
the excitement of catch off of a triple tip in football, even if it
came from a poorly thrown ball, because that's what people are after,
excitement.

Now, to be honest, I did (prior to this thread being posted in fact)
watch all three of the videos you list. Obviously the two Ultimate
ones are similar to a good deal of the ones I've seen before, yet
still kept my attention some what. Now The dischoops video I watched
to see if perhaps the earlier videos you've released were a bad
example of what dischoops could actually be.
This wasn't much different from the earlier ones. I was struck by the
music initially, as in, oh, I-might-have-to-turn-down-the-music-
because-it-is-so-bad-I-don't-want-other-people-to-see-me-listening-to-
this. Next I was aware of the level of intensity. I've seen people
throw discs with their dog in a park move faster. Honestly the stuff
YOU choose to highlight is mostly a reel of people jogging or walking,
sorry, not my idea of intensity. Honestly it looks to be at the point
where folks at a pickup game call a "game to 3" to try to get some
last energy out of people as the sun sets. Moving on to the throws a
great number looked extremely wobbly and quite frankly, poorly
thrown. Now I'm willing to chalk that up to the new player status you
claim, or perhaps the rain. It doesn't bode well to highlight the
sport if even a casual observer can look and say "man I could do that
better" in regards to the intensity or throwing. Now I know you'll
say well they don't understand the tactics of it or something like
that, but until I see a video with drawn on arrows explaining plays or
tactics (as opposed to hard to follow writing) I'll hold to my belief
that you make it up as you go.
Before you go to the usual "you haven't played once you have you'll
understand" line that I can recall you posting several times before,
allow me to state that I live on the east coast, and am not willing to
fly out just to play dischoops, sorry Frank. However, if you're ever
on the eastern sea board with set of equiment feel free to email me
and I'd be more than happy to try to set up a game.
Best luck as always Frank, try to smile more and be happy.
N8
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