Re: Pool of Death?

I want to be clear that I wasn't trying to be ciritcal of the format
-- I just thought the crossover games produced some interesting
anomalies with regards to balance. It helps to know the reasoning
behind the format, and I agree with a lot of it. Thanks for taking the
time to clarify.

It's likely that the results of this tournament will have an impact on
nationals seeding, but I don't think over/underseeding at Club
nationals is nearly the disadvantage that it is at, say, college
nationals. If anything, maybe GOAT should be jealous of Doublewide's
lineup this weekend rather than vice-versa. :)


On Aug 28, 5:53 pm, LaborDayUltim...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
This is a very interesting point you bring up.

The goals for the tournament and scheduling were as follows:

1) Bring in the best talent from around North America. Check.
2) Make a schedule where teams play different teams with little chance
of repeats (Not throughout the season, but specifically in the
tourmament) Check.

3) Work to get teams playing new teams. Check..however, teams like
Bravo and PoNY, who have attended a lot of tourmaments made this
challenging.

Breakdown of teams playing new opponents:
Sockeye- 5
Chain-5
Jam - 5
Doublewide-5
Rhino- 5
Ironside- 4
Ring of Fire- 4
Furious George- 4
GOAT - 4
Revolver -3
Truckstop-3
Condors- 3
Sub Zero- 3
Johnny Bravo- 2
PoNY- 2

4) What's important? When we were discussing the pros/cons of re-doing
the schedule to get Chain in, Josh Ziperstein won us over with this
line, "I don't think anybody is going to care whether they finished
7th at Labor Day in 2008. They want to play the best teams in the game
and we are one of them".

-What does that mean? Well, we are bringing these teams together to
battle it out, get experience, put some W's up over other incredible
teams.

Yes, the schedule is a little wacky, however, I doubt Doublewide will
complain about playing Sockeye, Boston, Jam, PoNY, Chain and
GOAT..even if they have some regional match ups or some replays from
earlier in the season. Why? Cause that line up is AMAZING! Check.

In the end, the average opponent seed numbers are interesting but not
necessarily accurate. We didn't seed normally. GOAT isn't specifically
the 4 seed and the Condors aren't necessarily the 15th, that's just
Score Report doing its job.
Rather we put people in groupings and distributed accordingly. The
results of your math is very much the same anyways, the bottom 6 teams
have the most difficult road, while the top 6 have the easiest.

Danny and Nathan
2008 LDUC TDs

On Aug 28, 2:19 pm, Sc <dp.te...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

The crossover format seems a little strange to me. The 1 seeds have a
harder schedule by average opponent's seed than the 2 seeds, and the 4
seeds have a more difficult schedule than the 5 seeds.

Average opponent seed (pool play + crossovers, easiest schedule to
hardest):

GOAT: 10.3
Furious: 10
Boston: 9.6
Sockeye: 9.5
Bravo: 9.5
Chain: 9.5
Jam: 8.2
Truck: 8
Revolver: 7.8
PoNY: 6.5
Rhino: 6.5
Condors: 6.5
Ring: 6.3
Sub Zero: 6
Doublewide: 5.7

So GOAT's average opponent is nearly 5 seeds lower than Doublewide's
average opponent. That seems like a lot; I wonder how it compares to
other tournament formats?

On Aug 28, 3:04 pm, Ryan Thompson <thomp...@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Aug 28, 3:46 pm, "redh...@xxxxxxxxx" <redh...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On Aug 28, 12:24 am, spac...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

Guess your right, let's get that going for Sarasota then. Tell me more
about how the chicks bracket. 3 games on 3 games off? Should be ideal.
Has this tourney lost fields? Maybe a smaller field(of teams) then?
Don't even bring up co-ed because that would be the dumbest reason to
shave fields from quality club play than any other. Seriously, the
cadaver who gave a ligament to Karlinsky must be turning in his grave.
JB

Sarasota is a different beast. There are more than enough fields there
that any schedule is fine... field limitations are not a problem.

And no, this tourney has not lost fields. It lost the mixed bracket a
few years ago (presumably) so that it could accommodate more open and
women's teams.

I still don't see what you inherently don't like about 15 teams. If
its the weird crossover thing, I agree, I have no clue what that is.
But fifteen goes to bracket play just as well, and if the men only
have 6 fields, then its the largest amount of teams they could
accommodate without a seriously whacky format.

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