Re: Request for Help

On Aug 19, 2:55 pm, SquishToGo <a...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Corrections: 1) many other situations where other throws are better,

No, the contention is that a forehand or backhand is ALWAYS more
controllable. Always. They are simply easier throws to control, so
the margin of error on those throws will always be higher. Not
sometimes, but always.

3) Pros can switch grips quickly.

If pros means, "lots of people who practice it", then yes. Plenty of
good club players can switch grips very quickly.

Obvious Points I think I've made totally ignored: 1) b/h and f/h
useless for ITs above the chest.

I did not ignore this at all. I have said more than once that
throwing without sighting your target and getting your balance will
reduce your margin of error. Hence, the so-called instant throw
(which, of course, is not instantaneous) is not very useful except in
a greatest situation. So, with the exception of a greatest caught up
high, this "advantage" which you cite is completely insignificant.

3) overhand does not have the peach's power.

Sure, but nobody is using overhands/chicken wings for anything except
greatest attempts. You do have a strong argument that this throw
should be used more in greatest attempts.

I'm the only one
learning anything.

I think you've made some people consider using the thumber forehand on
greatest attempts.

You can't quote your elite experience and say well-skilled pickup is
useless.

Useless for what? I'm not sure what you mean. At any rate, I
haven't, wouldn't, and don't state that pickup is "useless" in
general.

I never, ever, once asked how ITs applies to pros, because
that's not what I do (yet).

Bullshit. You have stated, and continue to state on your webpage,
that conventional wisdom about "IT"s is wrong and you are right.
There haven't been and aren't any caveats there where you say "I only
mean at the pickup level because I don't know anything about club
level ultimate".

Your statement "you won't
admit you are wrong" instead of "we disagree" is horrid non-intention
to be open to the slightest idea.

No, it's not - I'm open to plenty of new ideas. But the idea of
twisting around and whipping thumber flicks for continuation throws
immediately after the catch is not one of them. I am as certain that
that is a bad idea as I am about just about anything in the sport.

Me>> I feel like the entire Ultimate culture is retarded.
You>> Nothing like editing the wiki page so that it supports your
point.
Me>> No offense but I think you've all been sniffing dirty discs or
something =)
You>> and we just go straight down the field throwing jump thumbers,
it's unstoppable!
Me>> Not to be bitchy but I think it's real mature to say "your post
sticks" because you disagree
You>> Frank and Toad be damned, welcome to sport progression people!

I didn't say any of those things.

My only point in "playing victim" is this, I can't take bickering with
people (my problem) I'm trying to learn from, so I just want to get
along. It's infathomable to try to learn from others only willing to
teach through bickering, to ask how to get along, and to have that
very asking itself be called idiodic.

You claim to want to learn from us, but when every sane poster tells
you you're wrong, providing multiple reasons why, you insist they
don't understand and are mistaken. Consider the possibility that YOU
are the one who is "bickering".
.

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