Re: Questioning some of the recent bullying

arahim wrote:


It would seem that your knowledge of recent Indian history is about at
the same level as your understanding of capitalism. India was invaded by
Pakistan in 1948. None of the Western democracies lifted a finger to help

Factually incorrect. Pakistan has never crossed internationally
recognized Indian borders first. Now as to Kashmir in 1948 Pakistan's
commanding officer was a British officer who refused to fight because
on the otherside was Mountbatten and he was still taking his orders
from there.

That is interesting. Similar logic was applied by the Germans in their
occupation of Sudetenland in mid 30s. They claimed some territory. They
marched into it. How does it matter if other people do not recognize your
claim ?


India at the time on the issue of Kashmir. We did not pick the Russians
(in

And with good reason. India itself agreed in the UN that there should
be an election to decide the fate of Kashmir.

Which Pakistan has since made meaningless through wholesale resettlement and
demographic changes in Pakistan occupied Kashmir, Gilgit and Baltistan. Not
content with large scale settlement of Punjabis, it has also carried out
massacres of the indigenous Shia people in northern areas (Musharraf cut
his teeth in some of these massacres).

There is nothing like article 370 in the Pakistani constitution that
preserves Kashmiri primacy in its part of Kashmir. Oh wait, Pakistan does
not have a constitution worth the name any ways.

Sounds more like "what is ours is ours, and what is yours is negotiable".
Sorry, that crap does not fly here.


Maybe you wish we had prostrated ourselves for use by the US and the
Western alliance. I (and most rational Indians) would beg to differ.
Given how the prostituting career of Pakistan ended up, where it has to
strafe and bomb its own civilians, I think Indian leaders made a very
smart set of choices in 1950.


I suppose you are not considering Kashmir and some other places as
part of India now where much more death has been inflicted by Indian
leaders' choices.

That is nice. Send in terrorists. Carry out ethnic cleansing and make the
Hindus flee. Blame India for the resulting bloodshed.

As I said, that kind of crap does not fly any more.


governed nations must. However, it does make people like you appear
delusional for implicitly denying the clear probability that in an
alternate reality where India had joined the Western alliance in the 50s,
the US would have been quick to use India to its possible detriment.


So what about now?

There is far less of a gap between the relative economic and military
strengths of India and the US. More importantly, after 9-11, the US has
begun to remove its historical blinders on Pakistan. Strategic situation is
different now, and while we have to remain very careful of any attempts at
shadow play, an alliance between the US and India is at least now possible.


The US befriended two mortal enemies of India after a period in which
India had done nothing to court its ill-will. You cannot hope to be
friends with an entity that counts your worst enemies amongst its
friends/ allies. This is not a moral judgment on the issue, its merely
inescapable logic of the geopolitical situation that prevailed in Asia
during the cold war. For all

Well India befriended Soviet Union and was also ok with US as it now
befriends both the arabs and Israelis.

India and the US almost went to war in 1971. It was only the total collapse
of the Pakistani position in Bangladesh and mutterings by the USSR that it
might intervene that arrested Nixon's misguided support for Pakistan's
genocide in Bangladesh.

Our friendship with Israel has been long overdue. During critical periods in
our history, especially during wars with Pakistan, Israel has rendered some
covert arms and intelligence aid to India. However, we continued to support
the Arabs at the UN for almost 40 years, often insulting Israeli
dignitaries, even though no one but former U. A. R. supported India during
the Chinese invasion in 1962, and on the Kashmir issue, with a few
exceptions, they have tended to befriend Pakistan. Its only right that we
have corrected this blind spot in our foreign policy and now treat the
Israelis (who are by situation and by genuine public goodwill) natural
allies of India, and the Arabs on a more equal basis.


Only two third world countries, China and India, have emerged from the
Cold war period, on different routes and making different decisions, with
the wherewithal to compete with the best in the West. Its not accident
that

South Korea, Taiwan just in that neighborhood.

Both are tiny countries that are easy to govern. You might as well pick
Singapore as an example.
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