Re: Moody: Aussie Crowds a Disgrace

On Jun 4, 11:46 pm, Mad Hamish
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On Jun 3, 11:37 pm, Mad Hamish
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On Sat, 02 Jun 2007 20:08:44 -0700, angoor...@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
On Jun 2, 2:02 pm, Vitriolic <wittrio...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On Jun 2, 8:57 pm, "will_s" <willsjunkrem...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

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We all knew it.

http://usa.cricinfo.com/australia/content/story/296648.html

Its simple .... we dont respect cheats

Real cheats are people who apply sanctioned against aparthy in South
Africa while their own black people were treated like ***. When
Australia slaated South Africa for aprthied, they haven't even given
voting rights to aborigines. These convicts now coming us to tell what
is humanrights and cheats. Bloody crooks. Aborigne condition is still
the same.

well said.

Apart from the fact that Aboriginals were given the vote in Australian
Gederal Elections in 1963, in all state elections by 1965 (in SA
before Federation)

So he's basically completely wrong.

That, of course, is to be economical with the truth.
By rather a long stretch.

The Australian Electoral Commission (do they have any credibility?
I
suppose it depends on whether they agree with you or not) points out
that most Australians would nominate 1967 as the year Aborigines got
the vote, and would cite the referendum of that year.
It also notes that moral outrage in the 60s about the way RSA & the US
treated their black populations prompted many Australians to re-
examine the way blacks were treated in their own country.

From Wikipedia on the 1967 referendum

"The referendum removed two sections from the Constitution.

* The first was a phrase in Section 51 (xxvi) which stated that
the Federal Government had the power to make laws with respect to "the
people of any race, other than the Aboriginal race in any State, for
whom it is deemed necessary to make special laws." (This is known as
the "race power.") The referendum removed the phrase "other than the
Aboriginal race in any State," giving the Commonwealth the power to
make laws specifically to benefit Aboriginal people.

* The second was Section 127, which said: "In reckoning the
numbers of the people of the Commonwealth, or of a State or other part
of the Commonwealth, Aboriginal natives shall not be counted." The
referendum deleted this section from the Constitution. This section
should be read in conjunction with Section 24 and Section 51(xi). The
section related to calculating the population of the states and
territories for the purpose of allocating seats in Parliament and per
capita Commonwealth grants. The context of its introduction was
prevent Queensland and Western Australia using their large Aboriginal
populations to gain extra seats or extra funds. The 'statistics' power
in Section 51(xi) allowed the Commonwealth to collect information on
Aboriginal people.

It is frequently stated that the 1967 referendum gave Aboriginal
people Australian citizenship and that it gave them the right to vote
in federal elections. Neither of these statements is correct.
Aboriginal people became Australian citizens in 1948, when a separate
Australian citizenship was created for the first time (before that
time all Australians were "British subjects"). Aboriginal people
gained the vote in Commonwealth territories in 1965, and in the
states, under various state laws, somewhat earlier."

Note that there is aan apparent discrepancy here between the 1963
mentioned above for commonwealth or 1965 below for the commonwealth
territories, possibly that's federal versus elections

Going elsewhere

http://www.aec.gov.au/_content/when/history/history1900.htm

"1962

* Voluntary enrolment and voting at federal elections extended to
all Australian Aboriginals."

The 67 referendum meant that they were counted as part of the
populations of states for allocating funds and for allocation of
political seats.

So Australian Aboringals had voting rights well before there was any
Australian boycotts of South Africa, so the original poster's comments
were wrong.

If you want to discuss current or historical problems with the
treatment of Aboriginals do it in aus.culture or somwehre else
appropriate
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"Hope is replaced by fear and dreams by survival, most of us get by."
Stuart Adamson 1958-2001

Mad Hamish
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