Re: Totally OT: ISP Q for London poms.

Simon Pleasants <plesbit@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
news:n7fdi1tli43te57iqmf1uk4o77sl88oibt@xxxxxxx:
> On 13 Sep 2005 10:44:30 GMT, Yuk Tang <jim.laker2@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>>Simon Pleasants <plesbit@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
>>news:qs9di1ls86f884e94jjs66msgb6bid0etm@xxxxxxx:
>>> Yes - provided the service is sold at the throttled level. i.e.
>>> If you sell a 512kbit connection at the price for the 512kbit
>>> package but it really syncs at 2Mb and is throttled back to
>>> 512kbit then the customer is still getting what they pay for.
>>>
>>> But do you actually mean throttling or do mean traffic shaping?
>>
>>I'm paying for a 512kbit service with Tiscali, but certain
>>services, including usenet, is limited to a 3kps download instead
>>of the standard 50-60kps. There is a monthly total usage cap, but
>>I won't reach it with this throttle.
>
> Tiscali :(
>
> http://bbs.adslguide.org.uk/postlist.php?Cat=&Board=tiscali
>
> A long history of unhappy customers. Probably the worst
> reputation of any ISP operating in the UK, though Bulldog
> occasionally gets up there too.

I didn't know before I signed up. Demon is supposed to have a decent
rep.


> I suspect the answer to the question is that they are not doing
> anything illegal, as such, especially not if it is public
> knowledge that. However it is a deeper question - firstly, who
> provides the newsfeed for Tiscali? Do they provide their own
> newsserver or do they buy in the feed from a third party? Or are
> you using a third party yourself for which you pay an additional
> subscription (e.g. NIN etc)?

News.individual.net (former Berlin uni servers). No better on
Teranews and Giganews.


> The reason that is important is because it asks the question - do
> they throttle connections to their own newsserver only or are they
> throttling all connections on TCP port 119 (NNTP) in which case no
> matter where the newsfeed comes from it will always arrive at a
> snail's pace no matter where you get it.
>
> For example, my ISP (Metronet), does provide a feed from
> news.metronet.co.uk but the feed is actually provided by Supanews
> and is bought in by Metronet and made available to all
> subscribers. However, due to the deal Metronet have with Supanews
> the service is limited to a 128kbit connection speed. But this
> applies only to the Metronet newsserver because of the deal - if
> NIN had not started to charge I would have continued to use their
> service and that would have run as fast as NIN allow it because
> Metronet are not throttling port 119.
>
> Ultimately, the speed of your usenet access depends on how Tiscali
> are limiting the connection, as outlined above. If they are
> deliberately throttling port 119 then the best course of action
> would be a new ISP. In fact, considering you're using Tiscali,
> that might be the best course of action anyway! Tiscali's website
> does not even list a 512kb product....
>
> http://www.dslzoneuk.net/isp_ratings.php

New customer, unfortunately, unless there's a way of getting out of
this contract.


--
Cheers, ymt.
.

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