Re: Curving An Object Ball(Part VI-Letting it All Hang Out))



Bambu wrote:
On Jan 11, 10:54 am, Ed McCune <mcc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Bambu wrote:
On Jan 10, 10:00 pm, Ed McCune <mcc...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
No one was disrespectful at first here either until you went on and on.
Try that at CCB at watch what happens.
I see, so now I am limited in what I say around here. Whats the quota,
just so I know to stay within my limit?
The thing is, say what you want as often as you want but don't whine
when you get called on it. In an unmoderated forum there are pros and
cons. FL is a con. The rest is a pro.

Also Bob did NOT say it would curve and inch. He spoke hypothetically
and also mentioned 1/10th of an inch.
He said a tenth of an inch, a quarter, a thousandth, and .07 degrees.
Those are not arbitrary numbers, and none are equal to zero. Fact is
its so small its hard to measure, and results will be different from
table to table.
Small, unprecictable, but real.
Not equal to zero but you always skip or miss the context of what people
are saying. Bob was NOT agreeing that there is any observable curve, nor
was Dr Dave, in fact they were saying the opposite. You have been saying
it is not only observable but useful in a game. If it can't be measured
or observed then it is not what you said it is.



By the end of the thread all but
one guy were disagreeing with you and stating that they could not make
an OB curve. Even Jal stated that. although it might be hypothetically
true, it was so small as to be pretty much unobservable.
Thats because nobody in there really cares. Nobody is denying it in
there though.
Basically they disagree with you too but are more polite about it
because it hasn't gone on for a month over there yet.
Thats totally wrong. I guess you need to read it again.
I suggest that YOU need to re-read the thread. Just because they are
more polite about it (as we were at the start) doesn't mean they agree.

Jal thought the cloth bunching in front of the moving ball might cause
an imbalance of forces that might cause a spinning ball to curve a bit
and he even discussed this with Ron here in RSB, yet at the end even he
was not so sure that this would be an observable effect.

You must learn to read what is said and not what you wish was said.
Sorry to be so blunt. I've advocated for you here to some extent but
even I can only go so far in the face of such intransigence.

Ed


Well, ed, regradless of all the bull***, or what you think about it, here is where I think bob acknowlwdges that the amount of curve derived from sidespin is not zero(which has been the rsb number).
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"I think that if you need spark plug gap feelers to determine whether
you need to do something very special to the cue ball, the shot is not
practical. It may be interesting to the nerdy science types (who
already believe that you can get 0.1 degree or so of curve from side),
but there are essentially zero shots where it would be useful. As far
as I can tell, your method only applies when the blocker is within a
very short distance of the cue ball. On such shots, it is hard for
most people to see exactly how much of the pocket is blocked.

Even though bob is wrong about my method because my shot has nothing
to do with blocker ball/cueball distance.....he certainly acknowledges
the tenth of a degree.


1. Bob does not say HE believes in 1/10 of a degree...only that some nerdy science types do.
2. 1/10 of a degree is not measurable and so might as well be zero.
3. Zero was YOUR word not Ron's.(Ron actually speculated there might be some non zero amount that could not be seen but if you can see or measure it what's the point?) YOU were the one who said it was measurable , viewable and useful in a real shot. 1/10 of a degree is none of those.

Ed

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