Curving An Object Ball(Part VI-Letting it All Hang Out))

Curving An Object Ball(Part V-Letting it All Hang Out))

I suppose there is no reason I cant come clean about everything
that has been going on behind the scenes of rsb until now. If anyone
is interested, you all have some catching up to do. Personally, I
find it all a great read. Alot better than all the bull*** that goes
on around here. Though it's still not over, you are all of course
free to agree or disagree, and draw your own conclusions until now.
Its all there, all the shots for you all to try on your own, just no
video yet. I only ask one thing from everyone, don't go into billiards
digest and start trouble for me. Let me debate them in my own way,
without interference.
I re-read every section about throw and spin transfer on my
shelf, and dug up every internet article that I could find. That
search led me to Dr. Dave and Bob Jewett, as both of them seemed to
have the most material about throw. I had heard of Dr. Dave before, as
well as Bob Jewett. I have Dave's book, and have read many of Jewetts
articles but never had any contact with either of them. Jewett being
there was really just an added bonus, as I was really looking for Dr.
Dave. May as well stop now, and go read that post on BD, it gets
pretty juicy.

http://www.billiardsdigest.com/ccboard/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=ccb&Number=269050&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1&vc=1&PHPSESSID=

So, I brought my silly idea about object ball curve to Dr. Dave.
Interestingly enough, nobody at the billiards digest forum thought I
was a crack head. Not Dr. Dave, not Bob Jewett(though Bob did try
throwing the same exact $200.00 shot at me)! Even though I was a
first timer, nobody insulted me. And lets be frank, RSB is a fucking
ghost town compared to billiards digest. They didn't attempt to
degrade me, insult my profession, call me a blind man, a troll or a
liar. There was no aura of laughter, or omnipotent superiority abound.
I was even welcomed without a major interrogation. Over 1000 views and
nobody said ***, regardless of what they really thought. All that and
no faggoty fast larry cat fights, can you believe that?
Anyway, I have to admit this. I walked in to BD much better
prepared, with specific shots to prove my point. My experience on rsb
taught me a lot about what to expect to hear from other physics
experts. I also knew better than to even try to reason it out with
them, thanks to ron and rsb. Still, everyone seems to think that after
impact, the ball travels straight. That really blew my mind, because I
knew it was simply not true. I just needed to prove it. If anything,
it made me realize that rsb was not alone in thinking the throw angle
is determined upon impact.
During that moment, I thought I had the golden grail. A shot that
could not be disputed sat right in my pocket. Anyone who cares to is
of course free to read that dialogue, but it all amounts to one thing
in my book. Every cut shot you guys ever made in your lives went in
that hole in a different way than you thought it did. Just like I
said, it curved but not enough for you to notice.
There is no denial about a small amount of object ball curve
achieved through spin transfer at billiards digest, although Dr. Dave
and Bob seemed to have had different answers on this. Bob Jewett is
talking about a quarter inch difference over 9 feet, but that is more
than enough to satisfy me. Why? Something is better than nothing. A
quarter inch can be enough to make a baby, and sink a ball too. (And
the specific shot is there too, the variation of bobs shot.) Also
because once in a blue moon, I can finish off a rack with that extra
tiny bit. Other times, just the right spin alone will do it. I'm not
saying I'm the greatest by any means, but just maybe the cheapest.
Sometimes I want that extra quarter or eighth of an inch if I can get
it, dammit. It can be "just enough." I cant imagine anyone who if
they could, wouldn't want to split a hair or two in a borderline
situation.
Perhaps the most interesting point about this(ok, not for me)
is the physics explanation for this effect. Regarding that, I was
lucky enough to get an explanation from Jal on Billiards Digest. All
of you will probably understand that far better than anything I have
said about object ball curve. I wont paste the entire explanation
here, but according to Jal, "Several centuries of physics may need to
be revised if these calculations aren't confirmed." Another thing Jal
said, which I have been repeating over and over in my own
way(exceptions occurring at low speeds): "A very slow moving ball is
different, ie, it should follow more of a spiral path, like a charged
particle in a magnetic field."
In sum, let me state that I do not debate object ball curve to
spite rsb, nor for the sake of argument, or self righteousness. It is
not my intention to ridicule anyone, Ron Shepard in particular. I have
nothing but respect for Ron and his hard work, despite some things
which we both shouldn't have said. I only wish to prove the way throw
and spin transfer curves balls, that's all. My only regret, is that
this thread got ugly at times, and perhaps much of that is my fault.
For allowing anger to get the best of me at times, again my
apologies. Dr. Dave was also under a similar notion about sidespin
and object ball curve, so this isn't something that is thoroughly
understood my many....myself included.
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