Re: Frozen rail shot w/ draw

On Nov 25, 9:42 pm, Patrick Johnson <patrick.john...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
On Sun, 25 Nov 2007 05:46:23 -0700, "Bob Keller" <bk42...@xxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:







OK, my original question was how to make/aim a long frozen rail shot on a
very tight pocketed table. I embarrassingly learned more than I bargained
for, which is ultimately great, so thanks everyone.

After reading the relevant sections in Koehler's and Alciatore's books, I
practiced this and other frozen rail shots for about an hour yesterday and I
can't explain why, but my make percentage has shot way up - and while using
inside, center or outside english! I don't buy Koehler's chart (page 109)
for calculating how best to hit a frozen rail shot depending on cut angle
and distance. I doubt there is a living human who can accurately guage and
hit the cue ball with exactly 35% of maximum english and precisely .15
inches in front of the ball, for example. That's just not useful
information during a match.

Rather, stroking the ball smoothly, regardless of english used, seems to be
a prerequisite to a successful shot. Gee, when isn't it! So far for me,
the OB tends to come off the rail slightly on shots with outside english,
while with inside or center it stays on the rail. Maybe I'm still not
hitting the outside english shots at just the right spot, I don't know.
BUT, on the tight-pocketed beasty that I'm practicing on, I don't want to
have to bobble the ball into the hole. And since the outside english didn't
seem to provide much of a positional advantage, I think I'll save that for
when the OB is closer to the pocket.

Here's the shot I'm talking about.
http://tinyurl.com/ysnj6o
With inside or center I can draw the ball back to cue ball A. With outside
it will come back to B. I can definitely see the advantages in using
outside english for position on a variety of shorter cut shots including
those with much more angle.

I think the position play advantage of outside english is minimal at
such a shallow shot angle. Leave the OB in the same place but move
the CB out to a diamond from the rail, like this:

http://CueTable.com/P/?@3AbFM2POGf1QbIe1RaMf3UbFM3UbSY2kOGf3kbEu@

Then the difference in CB position will be more obvious (like A and B
in my diagram). More angle = even more benefit, but only up to a
point, and the shot gets progressively harder to make too.

And for some reason I'm able to shoot those
with outside english and keep the OB on the rail all the way to the pocket.
This shot still remains a tough one, but my confidence level is much higher.
I know it will go if stroked smoothly and contacting the rail a tiny bit
before the ball.

You can make this shot either rail first or ball first (just like with
inside english). But as you increase the angle of the shot the
difference in where the CB ends up hitting rail first vs. ball first
will also increase. This is because as the angle increases the CB
path is determined less and less by the draw and more and more by the
sidespin, and the sidespin has much more effect with a ball-first hit.

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