Re: On the Subject of Plonking
- From: Patrick Johnson <patrick.johnsonREMOVE@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 09 Feb 2006 16:55:45 GMT
Ron:
What Lou and Pat are doing with their public plonks is like you telling all of your friends that if any of them scoop up some of his crap somewhere else and bring it into your house and dump it in your living room, then they won't be invited any more either.
Larry (I think):
But it's not their living room.
It's a public park where they like to hang out
and the actions they object to are legal, if repulsive to most.
Legality has nothing to do with it. Free speech has nothing to do with it. Lou or I can't stop anybody from saying whatever they like on usenet. Nobody can.
But we can individually and voluntarily stop listening to those we consider trolls, and we can try to get others to do the same so we don't have to hear them second hand. If you don't go along with it, then we individually and voluntarily give up the privelege of seeing your posts too. Our loss. You're still free to interact with whomever else you choose - you can even respond to us, although we might not see it.
Making this public (in a limited way) does several things: (1) it lets non-trolls know that we will choose to not see their posts if they bring the trolls with them, which gives them the choice to be seen by us or not, (2) it educates newcomers about who the trolls are and one way they can be dealt with, (3) it lets everybody know that there's a 'filtered RSB' available to them IF they're willing to help self-police it, and (4) it lets the trolls know that there is a way for some of us to enforce posting standards for ourselves (but obviously not for everybody).
Seeing that several otherwise intelligent posters seem to think this is about free speech or legality supports my opinion that education on the topic is needed here.
Pat Johnson
Chicago
The people you are inviting into your room form the public. It is your right to stop inviting certain people into your room if they are rude and make themselves unwelcome, and you can tell people what you consider rude. Again, it is just an analogy.
This is not censorship, this is not about disagreeing with someone in a discussion, and it is not about being a coward. It is about someone crapping in your living room and you deciding not to put up with it any more.
No, it's them wanting to stake out their own little corner of the park and
establish their own rules there.
Because it is your living room (or wherever your computer is sitting), you can make your own rules for what is acceptable and what is not. When you turn on your TV, you are not required to listen to every channel that is available, you can pick the ones you want to watch and select others to skip over.
Which is fine with me, by the way. I always prefer to hang out with people whose
intellect comes packaged with a sense of humor.
IMO, this has nothing to do with intellect or sense of humor. I expect if there had ever even been a hint of a sniff of a trace of a rumor of intellect or humor, we would not be having this discussion.
$.02 -Ron Shepard <--IMO, of course
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