Re: Albert Pujols - Greatest first 5 years in history?



RLM <raj@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> trolled:
> claird@xxxxxxxxx (Cameron Laird) writes:

> >Williams. His worst OBP in first five years was .436; Pujols' best
> >.439.

> DiMaggio also had a very impressive first 5 seasons:

> >OPS+, Williams, '39-'46: 160 162 235 217 215
> > Pujols, '01-'05: 158 155 189 175 167
> DiMaggio, '36-'40: 128 168 139 185 173

Impressive at what, exactly? What skill does OPS+ measure?

> Not quite as good a hitter as the other two, but he was an

But you haven't told us how many hits these players had. So how can
you compare them as hitters?

> outstanding defensive center fielder, which makes up a lot of
> value, and he did win four rings in his first five years. FWIW,
> here's Prospectus's WARP1 for each:

> WARP1, Williams, '39-'46: 10.2 10.8 13.8 15.9 15.0
> Pujols, '01-'05: 10.2 8.2 11.7 10.7 10.7
> DiMaggio, '36-'40: 8.5 13.0 10.1 12.1 10.9

Beam me up, Scotty. But there is no such thing as WARP1 in
baseball. Not a single player in the history of the game tried to
maximize his WARP1, so why on earth are you wasting our time ranking
players by this equation?

Do you time Ben Johnson and Carl Lewis when they go out to buy
steroids and then rank them on how fast they get home?

No, because the players are not racing to the drug store. So why do
you rank players by WARP1 and OPS+ when the players are not trying
to have the highest of either mark?

Ah, but we are just trolling, aren't we? That's a convenient
response when faced, as always, with a question you can't answer.

cordially, as always,

rm
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