Re: Food for thought (new thread)

On Jun 4, 9:33 am, "JQ" <jqwad...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
"taichiskiing" <thedreamofbutter...@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message

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No, wrong analogies. Skiing is a sport of gravity--one vs. gravity--
and that's the common denominator, so there are comparisons between
good skiing and bad skiing, or elegant skiing and athletic/brute-force
skiing, etc.

Which skiing category is your skiing in and why?

What do you think?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iIjqVM4ufXY
pair long turns

As for your explanations, frankly they are annoying in the way that
most Eastern philosophy is to westerners. You never state what you
mean, you only allude to it and insist that the reader meditate upon
it.

Once you understand the major difference between Eastern & Western
philosophy it all becomes easy to understand.
There may be a reason for that as I think you already know.

Yes, there's a major difference between Eastern and Western philosophy
which depicts how they view the "reality," or "life." For which the
Eastern philosophy turns "internal" to look for the answer while the
Western philosophy looks outwardly to find the answer. The results are
Unism--one element world (e.g. unified mind and body)--for the Eastern
philosophy/"world view" and Dualism--two elements world (e.g.
separated mind and body)--for the Western philosophy/"world view." By
mathematics, less requirements covers a bigger domain, Unism--one
element domain--covers Dualism--two elements domain--but not the other
way around. That is to say one cannot see into Unism based on
Dualism's premises. To most people, one can only reach Unism/
enlightenment through its own practice/premises. And someone may get
lucky, enlightened without reason.

Yes on meditation, otherwise, they would never get it. As I've pointed
out, the Eastern philosophy--Unism/Taoism/Buddhism/Zen--are beyond
words, so they are beyond the realm/capabilities of English/language,
so they are beyond the English/Western thinking. So I said, "Without
you own pursuit and practice, there's no hope for you to get it."

Untrue, Eastern philosophy is not beyond words, if that were the case there
would be no books or manuscripts written by the Eastern philosophers on
eastern philosophy or on any particular school of thought. It is only
beyond words if one is not versed in the philosophy that one is trying to
explain or elude to properly.

Yes, it is true, the final enlightenment is beyond words; the books or
manuscripts are served only as "guide" and they are bounded by the
limitation of the language, that's why one has to leap in the end, or
practice hard to transfer the "mental knowledge" to "physical
knowledge (without mind)." When one can physically do it then we/
Chinese say he "knows."


Eastern philosophy is not beyond English/Western thinking. There is a
fundamental difference in the foundation of Eastern and Western philosophy
that is based on how reality is seen or understood. Basically in Eastern
philosophy reality is a function of the mind, what one sees in ones mind
(true conception) it is real. Western philosophy reality is a function of
tangibility based off ones senses to be real you must be able to either:
see, hear, smell, taste or feel (touch) it. Now science has added another
concept if it can be proven in theory it is real until it is disproven.

Yes, Eastern philosophy reality is a function of the mind, so the
domain (how big) of the "world" is depended on what one perceives, so
the world varies in size and shape, and it may merge with mind,
whereas in the Western view that everything has an unique "grid" fixed
in the space-time continuum, where the continuum doesn't change and
always exist, and we are separate from it. So, we may have quite a
different world.


Have you ever noticed that in the martial arts we speak of the mind is the
source of our power. To a point this is true but we use the laws of physic
to do most of our feats. Don't be fooled by many of the martial arts
demonstration that show mind over matter techniques. Much of it the use of
basic laws of physic and many of the breaking demonstration are just plain
tricks, sorry to say.

Yes, it doesn't matter how they presented, even in Taichi's fancy
wording, the laws of physics must be met in all physical activities.
The difference is in the Eastern inner strength where mind may change
the "world" (e.g. a strong mind makes a strong body), thus may produce
an incredible result.


What I gather from reading IS's "Tai Chi skiing" but I may be wrong, he is
using the philosopical teaching of Tai Chi to enhance his skiing ability
and at the same time become mentally and spiritually enlightened. Is if you
could clarify something for me it may help my understanding. One, are you
claiming "Tai Chi Skiing" as a form of skiing and if so are you the founder
of this form? Two, is the spiritual enlightment aspect achieved from skiing
or from the philosophical teachings of Tai Chi? Thanks...

Well, as I said, I learned Taichi from skiing, and reapplied Taichi
theory back to skiing and developed Taichi Skiing. I had a few
enlightening moments in skiing, but the true enlightenment was from
martial arts practice, when I dealt with a question about life and
death and practiced [Zen] archery at the time.

Yes, I found this form, which, in essence, is different from PSIA-
strain skiing.


Try a little formal logic. It will help you make sense.

Methinks the formal logic will be too severe for the gappers. The
formal logic, "if A then B" is true ONLY if A--premises--is true
(complete and consistent). With their malicious insinuations, wild
speculations, and pathetic denials, the gappers never have a workable/
true premise, they are not going to realize the truth, or the true
state of their mentalities. Then they just go verbiage on. They cannot
learn and I can't help.

IS, when you do this you lose much of your creditabilty. To insult those
that are critical of your point of view or skiing techniques are not in the
teachings of "Tai Chi" nor any other form of eastern philosophy.

Have you read clarencedarrow's "Tie Chee Venture Capital" thread? That
is one example what I was talking about.

One of the
problems that you put upon yourself is to make a blanket statement that
"only" through "Tai Chi Skiing" can one achieve the true high level skiing,
true understanding of high level skiing and spiritual enlightment. There
are many ways to get there and yours is only one way, understanding Eastern
philosophy you already know this.

No, never did say that. "All styles merge at the end in 'line-skiing'
in high level skiing" was what I said.


Have a great summer...

Thanks, be gone fishing tomorrow, :)
IS

JQ
Dancing on the edge
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