Re: Maple syrup or honey?

Chris Guynn wrote:
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Jer wrote:

Chris Guynn wrote:


"Jer" <gdunn@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message news:V4CdnXfJf5DhZQfUnZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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I'm not convinced he told any such lie. I am convinced a number of people don't make much of an effort to be certain they understand something clearly, and that may well be because the speaker didn't make much of an effort to speak clearly. But, this doesn't rise to the level of a lie, absence of malice and all that.


Interesting... I'm taking an ethics course right now and the section about telling lies doesn't mention anything about malice that I've been able to find.


It's in the chapter called "what did you know and when did you know it?" Just like in any courtroom, if the speaker (witness) believes a statement to be true, it's not a lie, regardless of how untrue the statement ultimately proves to be. And this still applies even if the speaker should have know the truth, yet didn't. Yes, sanctions can be held for negligence, but not for lying.


"Lying" in the true since of the word involves "intent to deceive".


"lie

–noun
1. a false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.
2. something intended or serving to convey a false impression; imposture: His flashy car was a lie that deceived no one.
3. an inaccurate or false statement.
4. the charge or accusation of lying: He flung the lie back at his accusers.
–verb (used without object)
5. to speak falsely or utter untruth knowingly, as with intent to deceive.
6. to express what is false; convey a false impression."


Sanctions CAN be held in United States courtroom for deliberate deception under oath. It is called perjury and where I live it is a felony.


Interesting... especially considering that numbers 3 and 6 don't say anything at all about "intent to deceive" or, for that matter, knowledge of the untruth.



As with many words in the English language there are multiple definitions.

3 and 6 could would probably apply to a situation that lacks the capacity to form intent. Such as a mechanical or electrical device. Example- "The worker wrote down the meter readout not realizing it had lied to him".
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