Re: Florida PADI

Blah <b...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Maybe I'm not like the average instructor but
all my students leave OW in pretty good shape...

In comparison to the USA's training system, you're not "Average".

... and I do know there is a massive range of
instructor ability in Padi - in my own shop
there are instructors that will very quickly
bin students if they can't do something)

PADI has always been a for-profit corporation. Students that
proverbially "cost more" simply aren't as profitable.


This is why PADI want to rebrand it - it
isn't tech diving, it isn't rescue diving,
it isn't a massive step - its just a bump
up the ladder.

Don't get me started.  There didn't used
to be a ladder.  My first card reads "SCUBA."
 It trained me for everything anticipated of
a recreational diver at the time, including
decompression...

Same here, and my training wasn't as ancient as Lee's. IIRC, the
"Marketing Machine" didn't really kick into gear until the late 1980s,
probably about the time that buddy breathing was eliminated from basic
training.

 To be honest, I think the courses currently called
"Advanced" are nothing more than a way to get more
money for teaching the basics, but I still think
that those that actually hope to become advanced,
do better if they do a bit of diving in between.  

Mmm, I see you point - but Padi is Padi because is
makes it simple little building blocks - you get
what you pay for.

YMMV, but a lot of PADI's optional classes are very poor value for
what you get, particularly when "simply diving" with a mentor
accomplishes the same thing effectively for free. Personally, I
probably had a couple of hundred dives before I learned that PADI
offered a "Boat Diver" specialty. IMNSHO, PADI operates on the
exploitive "Fool and His Money are Soon Parted" principle, as a
student seeking training advice is by definition expected to be an
uninformed consumer.


2)to learn about multilevel profiles

My computer already knows that.  Do you teach
multi level diving with tables?

With the wheel and with an intro into computers
(cue sales pitch for dive computer ;-)  )

Ah, but Lee said with Tables, not the Wheel. There have been
techniques developed ... IIRC, Dave Duis (or was it Dave Waller?)
published one around 15-20 years ago.


3)introduction to greater depth in controlled manner

You're going to have to convince me that 30 meters
is a lot different from 20 to sell that one.

We train in here:http://www.stoneycove.com/(36m deep quarry)

Fair enough, but you missed the point. The issue here was that
current OW-I training in the USA carries a "max depth" disclaimer,
despite the fact that there's very little real physiologically-based
significance.

Similarly, the PADI Encyclopedia reportedly has claimed that the
scientific reason for their 130fsw rule (max for AOW) is because the
PPO2 on air works out to 1.0 Unfortunately, this is an example of
revisionist history that ignores the basis for why the US Navy
actually selected 130fsw: it was predominantly due to equipment
limitations of the day, not the Oxygen Clock.


No "perhaps to it," but it is more than just the
instructor.  PADI issues the card and is responsible
for the curriculum and the quality of the instruction.
 If it's lame, it's as much their fault as it is the
instructor's.  That goes for other agencies as well,
but in my experience, PADI seems to be lighter on
quality control and heavier on profits than the
others.  YMMV.

You got me there - I follow the curriculum...

...and being in a non-profit "club" environment in BSAC, making a
profit isn't your priority. Thus, you're able to work to different
functional definition of what constitutes a training "success."


-hh
.

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