Re: Dear Dechucka: OT


"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in
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"Douglas W. "Popeye" Frederick" <Popeye@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in

There are already nearly 30,000 gun laws in the U.S..

don't seem to work very well to stop the high rate of gun crime

Well, -there- we agree.

Yet -your- solution is to have more laws?

probably won't work in the US, see my comments below


In general, and without special permit, weapons are already illegal
to carry.

Criminals, who commit the vast majority of gun crimes, do not obey
gun laws.

exactly why I questioned if tougher gun lasws would work

Sentences for felonies committed with guns are already ten years longer
than the same crime without.

doesn't seem to be working

You're right.

But do you actually understand what the problem is?

Some states have an automatic 1 year in jail for the -slightest- gun
violation (i.e.- possession).

In Massachusetts, that includes BB guns.

see above

You're going to have to identify the problem (the drug culture), and
deal with that.

The problem is, Americans won't give up their drugs.

Also, parents are going to have to take responsibility for their
childrens' actions.

But the plain fact of the matter is that you -cannot- keep guns out of
the hands of criminals.

-Gun- crime in Australia may be down, but, crime isn't.

your point being what?

What do you think?

a lot but in relation to this I was asking your pov

My point is that Aussies gave up over a half a million weapons, for a
fraction of their worth if any, for little or no gain in safety.

What does it mean when registering, confiscating and destroying weapons
doesn't lower the crime rate?

didn't it? Care to back this up?

Sure- if you can back up that it did.

Here's a hostile cite-

not wrong, now if you would care to quote some legit figures it would be
good


http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/australiaguns.html

Rear the facts and numbers -carefully-.

you may enjoy those facts so much you want to "rear" them but well I'm not
that way


How many Aussie criminals turned in their guns, do you think?

I'm not going to drag you kicking and screaming along like I do Futile
John.

no matter what you and your mates think you haven't done a very good job

That's your partisan opinion, but the facts are on my side.

Among several other points, -no one- here will debate me issue for issue
on Gun CVontrol in general, or American gun control in specific.

Futile John has fled screaming several times, including just last week.

because you won't listen to a responable point of veiw and debate it

You're going to have to do a little thinking.

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