Re: To Protect And Serve?


Doug Frederick wrote:
>
> And thus, I would expect you to have a better understanding than John.
>
I like to think I have a fairly balanced view from having a fairly
diverse background. Many people are better informed than I am however.
>
> John, not to be rude, but, you'll never, ever understand how little I care
> what anyone in Europe or the U.K. thinks.

Not wanting to split hairs, but I'm George. You certainly don't have to
care as long as you aren't trying to export your values. If you are
trying to export your values, you need to be exceeding well informed
and culturally aware to be successful. We quite like our values thank
you and in return I promise not to try to impose my values on you. When
in Rome or Ft. Lauderdale, I try to fit in. :)
>
> Those are just "enlightened" areas that we have to liberate once or twice
> a century.
>
> Like I'm currently highlighting with John, there's a clear bias and double
> standard, especially in the Rec.scuba context you mention below.

Sure. There is always a double standard. Everyone has an opinion, and
none of this generation has had to fight to defend their opinion in a
domestic land war. I think the key is not trying to enforce your
standard on others.
>
> That's a statement of bias and ignorance.
>
Not at all. Everyone has an opinion, and my opinion is possibly less
ignorant than some as I've lived in seven countries and worked in
twenty-two. I have proven my ability to get along and influence change
in just about any culture you care to drop me into.

> Pro-gun Rec.scubans have given many instances of firearm self-defense,
> and, the pro-gun side of the argument here, is, and has been, far more
> rational than the anti-gun side on average.
>
Certainly, but my only point is that *your* culture isn't ours. I
certainly won't pass judgement on your culture based on my experiences
as its 1. none of my business and 2. hard to understand to an outsider
and I'm liable to get it wrong. I love the States, I just don't want to
export it here in totality.

Because our two nations just about speak the same language confusion is
rife.
>
> If that, to you, is deviant and hilarious, rest assured it doesn't come
> from my doorstep, but yours.
>
I'm not saying anything is deviant and hilarious in *your* context. It
can be weird and extreme when viewed in other contexts like mine. We
simply don't travel armed. Period. The only exception is hunting rifles
in hunting season. That obviously isn't any kind of condemnation of
what you do at home, just that it won't fly here. Different worlds and
you might find ours pretty tame and boring in comparison.
>
>
> Who would care?
>
You perhaps may. Its simply a matter of good manners, something you
personally are pretty sensitive to in my experience.
>
> They rationalize genocide in their back yards, and can't defend their own
> borders.
>
> When I start fitting in on the Left Bank...
>
> KILL ME. Please.
>
As a matter of interest, have you ever been to the Left Bank? I love
Paris personally.
>
> > Doesn't make you wrong, just puts all y'all in perspective. Don't get
> > pissy about it, we just live in different cubicles.
>
> I'm not pissy.
>
> I'm just pointing out when the foriengers are.
>
Cool.
>
> Nothing that you can say or do will ever effect my self defense practices.
>
Bring your truck across and come visit for a while. Just leave the hand
guns at home so I don't have to dig you out of jail! I suspect hauling
international loads might change your self defense practices quite a
bit.

Geo

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