Re: wedgy!

Dan wrote:
Pendejo wrote:
So that, if I want to continue enjoying eating as much as possible
without gaining weight, I'd better not subject myself to a consistent,
significant calorie deficit. Right?

Yeah, that sounds like a logical conclusion. But...can one maintain
optimal racing weight (whippet thin) without cal restriction?

Yeah, it's kind of an interesting question, isn't it.

You and Mark H clearly need to exert quite a lot (it seems to me, but
I'm sure it's all relative) of control over your diets to achieve your
goal weights at your ages (which are pretty close, no?) and running
volumes (fifty-ish, I think, and seventy-ish).

But how about a world class 30 year old marathoner running 120-140
mile weeks? Does his body also want him to eat a little more than the
stopwatch does? I'd enjoy reading some accounts. From Fixx's
observations of Bill Rodgers and others, I was left with the
impression that young truly high mileage guys had to work diligently
just to shovel in enough calories to keep the energy up. But I think
this was based on a comment or two in passing.

For myself, even at the 140 lb I consider my racing weight, I'm not
whippet thin. Pretty well "cut" in terms of how much yucky
subcutaneous anatomy stuff, muscle contours, tendons, ribs, and so
forth show; but visibly not in the same leanness class as you, Dan -
if you're in first class, I'm in business - even though I measure
lighter at I believe the same height. You've got more muscle, denser
bones, or maybe a three-holed kidney stone with a Brunswick label.

I've gotten to 140, and expect to again this year, on moderate to
moderately high mileage (~45 to low 80s), spring summer fall weather,
and a mostly heeded intention to mostly eat mostly reasonably with
relatively few licentious pig-outs. Could be that more rigor and
restraint and hunger and forsaking of deserts would lose me more
tonnage but that's not an overall balance I'm seeking - and the notion
that doing so might (semi-?) permanently adjust my thermostat so I had
little choice but to stay on that path or get fat frankly freaks me
out a bit.


I thought the most interesting observation in the article was the hint at
higher muscle efficiency -- this would give weight loss a double boost:
metabolic and mechanical efficiency.

Yeah, that *is* interesting.

Still I imagine it might be a fine line to walk. It's my impression -
though again, I haven't actively pursued this stuff - that
insufficient calorie intake can compromise immune function and general
recovery. What's "insufficient", how universal is this, blah blah
blah - I don't know. But googling e.g. "undereating overtraining"
returns plenty of hits. One thing I notice in the short term when I
don't get enough calories in the hours before and after a decent run
is that I'll get really tired and listless in the afternoon.

Any of this a concern? How do you know you're not eating too little -
do you get feedback from your body, as hunger or some other form? Or
is it pretty much, the less you're willing and able to eat, the better
the results?

.

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