Re: Bekele & Big Macs


"Donovan Rebbechi" <abuse@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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On 2006-09-01, Mark Hutchinson <marhutch@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
So it's indirect. More importantly, it only has an effect if it
*really*
does make you eat more often. And to do that, it needs to have the
effect
on insulin levels that you claim it does. A calorie is a calorie
regardless of who eats it. But impact on insulin varies depending on a
number of parameters. So it is NOT a given that taking carbs will
cause
this insulin roller coaster ride. But it is a given that too many
calories
will make you fat.

FWIW I agree with Donovan. Atkins and his low carb hoopla was the
culprit that stood on the roof tops yelling we are all on the insulin
sensitive roller coaster and to eat greasy crap food and feel more full
sans the spikes. While eating more fat did make some people feel
fuller and thus lose some weight, it was poor eating. If was also piss
poor eating for anyone doing sports.

Eat the double whopper but throw away the roll? The insulin arguments
makes for good reading but it just not true for the majority of people.
And if you eat a balanced meal with all three there is even less if any
of any spike.

This whole thought that if one eats something sweet they will turn in
crazed zombies eating 10 snickers to ease craving is kaka.


Sorry Mark but you are touting Atkins and not nutrition.

Furthermore, after eating the apple I'd probably be
hungry again in a couple of hours.

I'd disagree again.

Me too.


Then go ahead and cite some of it.

Published research, please. Or at least something that cites published
research.

I'd like to see this also.

It's a clue that you really want to infer causality, even though you
have no basis for doing so. They don't just get cheap carbs. They
consume
large amounts of cheap, fatty meat as well.

Sad but true. Where does the notion come from that fat is expensive?
Those evil fats like cottonseed and that ilk are dirt cheap taste good
and why the lower socio have ready access.

Here's a question for you: if you stop eating carbs, you still need
glycogen. How does the glycogen you use get replenished if you are on
a very low carb diet ?

Amen! And I'll repost

http://www.peakrunningperformance.com/docs/Truth_about_Macronutrient_Composition.htm

which I think does a good job.

The Kenyans and Ethiopians follow a diet not unlike the USDA food
pyramid. It doesn't make them fat. But then, they don't consume
high fructose corn syrup.

But they don't consume much of anything, do they? Comparing the

The distance runners obviously consume quite a lot of *something* to
maintain a caloric balance. Not everyone in Kenya and Ethiopia is
starving. Even the people with access to grains aren't getting fat.

To quote from the above web page.

"Perhaps the most decorated distance runners in the world, however, are
the Kalenjin (Kenyan) runners who reportedly won a staggering 40% of all
major international middle- and long-distance competitions from
1987-1997.6 Interestingly, Kalenjin runners have a carbohydrate
composition that tower over their competition with measurements
reporting 75+% or 10.4 grams carbohydrate per kg of body mass, which
may lead one to argue that running success and carbohydrate intake are
directly related.7"

Show me a fat Kenyan.


According to one source who was arguing the case for Atkins.

I think Mark is carrying the torch for the deceased Atkins. He is dead
and so is his fad diet. In his lkast years ATkins and still the estate
turned into food whores pushing their food. It's all about money either
from the book or ther meals. I think is called $greed$$.

I don't believe that's true. Most people don't even read
nutrition labels. Even if they did, the information is too
complex for the average person. As I pointed out earlier, even

I agree in part Mark, especially with the kids. I don't know if it is a
complexity issue but a knowledge issue. This is why I keep saying that
teaching nutrition in schools is almost as important as the 3r's. If we
don't educate the kids we/they will continue to get obese.


There are people who are considerably more knowledgeable than both of
us, who
disagree on this topic. Questions like "what caused the obesity
epidemic" are
very hard to answer for reasons I've already given.

All the unbiased scientists say it's TOO MANY calories. It's not just
too many carbs. Those correlation papers are BS! We acl all twistnumers
to show foot size and Cancer have some relationship.



Actually, that's not true. Vast majority of people do lose weight
on low-carb, kind of magically.

It's not magic at all. Eating more fat does make you feel fuller. It's
also poor diet from a health perspective. God help you if you want to
exercise on a low carb diet.



This is simply not correct. There is not at this stage any known
weight loss
program that produces good long term outcomes in the vast majority of
cases.

The studies once again show that these fad diets do not hold and this
includes low carbs. Even the damn cabbage soup diet will get you lose
weight. Within a year or so they gain all the weight back and them
some. Good balanced nutrition, and good balanced nutrition knowledge is
out there but will take too many years to get in the USAD pyramid
because of politics and why the Harvard School version is about the best
available.



Almost any program produces good short term results. Getting people to
stay
on almost any program is hard.

If the Atkins program was as miraculous as you think it is, it would
have
already solved the obesity epidemic. People have known about it for a
long
time. Every wannabe dieter has heard of it. If long term studies
showed that
80% of people who started the diet lost weight and kept it off for 5
years, all
the annabe dieters would hear great things about it, then they would
go on the
diet, and achieve miraculous results.

It's fad diet and is shitting the bed like all fad diets and it's not a
healthy diet in general and sucks big time for athletics.

-Doug


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