Re: Training Week Ending October 16, 2005


"Donovan Rebbechi" <abuse@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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> Would you characterise Chicago as an "easy" course ?

Well easier than say Pikes peak or Boston.

> As a hypothetical, what if there were a marathon that went *down* a
> mountain,
> and yet was still very fast ? Would you characterise that as "easy" ?

Yes, using more gravity would make each step take less energy, unless
they were trying to run twice as fast. In reality if they were not used
to this hypothetical down hill they would like have cooked quads after
about 15 miles.


> The fact that you get a faster or slower finishing time doesn't
> necessarily
> make the experience easier or harder.

I'm not sure how you are quantifing this. We tend to say that a flat
course generates faster times and thus easier. I guess the term easy is
the vague word. If someone is very used to flat races and does no hills
then he can likely stay maxed at say 90% is a hard race where as very
hilly would intimidate and run it easier and slower.


> True, there are some example where this
> is the case -- for example, racing in extreme heat is hard and also
> slow.
> Running up a 20% grade is also both hard and slow.

To over simplify, doesn't running up a hill, regardless of %, take more
work? In this case I think it's harder.

> Running on grass or cinder trail is *slow*, but I wouldn't call it
> hard. In fact
> I'd almost argue that it's easier than concrete, even though you won't
> run as
> fast.

Easier on the body but I think running on surfaces that give like sand
or cinder does take more work and why it's slower.



> Running up a uniform 1% grade or running into a constant 5mph head
> wind
> will reliably produce a substantially slower time, but I wouldn't
> describe that
> as exceptionally "hard" either.

I'm still at a loss at how your are defining hard. I feel if I'm running
uphill, into the wind, or on sand/cinder each step takes more work.
Don't the science guru's feel that Bannister running sub 4 on cinders a
notch harder. I relate more running work to a harder effort and the
clock tends to run longer. I'm not being argumentative, only having a
hard time understanding your definition.

-DF



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