Re: why not, Why Not. WHY NOT ! - Leave AM Radio Alone

In article <9t1Lh.8229$yW.819@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"David Eduardo" <amdavid@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

"Telamon" <telamon_spamshield@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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In article <ZcqKh.4953$tv6.3654@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
"David Eduardo" <amdavid@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

I know what the problem is... you are stubborn and do not understand
that few listeners are even interested in non-local stations, and
when combined with signals that are not reliable day and nigh and
which can be subject to interference, they don't listen to them.

Along with not being interested in where your assumptions are incorrect
you don't seem to be as interested in reality as you are your own
special view of it.

I am making no assumptions, so such assumptions can not be incorrect.

The facts are very simple.

You are making assumptions of signal strength levels being good enough
so noise is not an issue.

1. The FCC provides data by which the field strength of any station can be
caluculated in any location. This data and commercial software are so
accurate, the FCC is now considering the actual readings of field strength
on radials of each directional station or for non-DA proofs.
2. Arbitron provides down to the ZIP Code level information on every station
listened to for at least 5 minutes in a week in each ZIP code.
3. Looking at signal strength vs. listening shows that metro area stations
without a consistent, 10 mv/m or better day and night signal do not get any
significant listening. Stations in the high end of the 5 mv/m to 10 mv/m
will get occasional mentions, but not enough to "make the book" and be
statistically significant.

There are far more than 3 stations that are local to me.

"Local" is not a technical term in this context. This discussion is about
how "large" a signal has to be to register any listening, and in AM, that
level in metro areas is 10 mv/m or above

Then take a look at the numbers I provided and you can see that they all
represent strong signals. Must be a problem with your contour maps.

One station that is "local" to me in LA is KBLA... 50 kw at 1580. But I live
to the east of its site, and can barely hear it daytime and not at all at
night... yet the towers are less than 10 miles from me.

What has that have to do with the signal strength of stations in my area?

There are over a dozen. You know this but will not acknowledge it.
These local stations put in strong signals so noise is not an
issue. There is no problem picking them up. You don't have to "try"
for them.

If they don't have 10 mv/m in your ZIP, nobody listens, per Arbitron.

Well then Arbitron is wrong then or you are misinterpreting them.

In most markets, you can pretty accurately trace the 10 mv/m contour of a
station via plotting diaries

Well then it does not correlate to reception.

Stations all over the US realize this, and generally do their audience
promotion inside the contour under the theory that elsewhere there is no
return on the investment.

Your statement that nobody has more than 3 strong signal stations is a
complete fabrication.

I did not say that. I said there are only 3 signals over 10 mv/m at your
location.

I did say that few markets have more than one or two viable AM stations that
cover day and night the metro. Some have none, like >ashington, DC and
Ventura, others like LA and SF have a few more.

The fact that you will not acknowledge it when
called on your bad assumptions shows that you will continue to post
articles with fabricated information to the news group.


Sorted by distance from my location.

Call Freq Dist. in miles City Format dBm

KVEN 1450 AM 3.4 Ventura, CA Oldies -29
KKZZ 1590 AM 6.2 Ventura, CA Talk -32
KOXR 910 AM 9.3 Oxnard, CA Spanish -40
KUNX 1400 AM 11.6 Santa Paula, CA Spanish -65
KVTA 1520 AM 12.3 Port Hueneme, CA Talk -39
KZSB 1290 AM 24.4 Santa Barbara, CA News -55
KIST 1340 AM 24.4 Santa Barbara, CA Talk -55
KBKO 1490 AM 24.4 Santa Barbara, CA Simulcast of KTMS 990 -55
KZER 1250 AM 31.5 Santa Barbara, CA Spanish -56
KIRN 670 AM 32.8 Simi Valley, CA Ethnic -66
KSPN 710 AM 50.9 Los Angeles, CA Sports -60
KNX 1070 AM 61.5 Los Angeles, CA News -54
KRLA 870 AM 61.7 Glendale, CA News/Talk -65
KFI 640 AM 78.4 Los Angeles, CA Talk -68
KOGO 600 AM 168 San Diego, CA Talk -69

Sorted by daytime signal strength.

Call Freq Dist. in miles City Format dBm

KVEN 1450 AM 3.4 Ventura, CA Oldies -29
KKZZ 1590 AM 6.2 Ventura, CA Talk -32
KVTA 1520 AM 12.3 Port Hueneme, CA Talk -39
KOXR 910 AM 9.3 Oxnard, CA Spanish -40
KNX 1070 AM 61.5 Los Angeles, CA News -54
KZSB 1290 AM 24.4 Santa Barbara, CA News -55
KIST 1340 AM 24.4 Santa Barbara, CA Talk -55
KBKO 1490 AM 24.4 Santa Barbara, CA Simulcast of KTMS 990 -55
KZER 1250 AM 31.5 Santa Barbara, CA Spanish -56
KSPN 710 AM 50.9 Los Angeles, CA Sports -60
KUNX 1400 AM 11.6 Santa Paula, CA Spanish -65
KRLA 870 AM 61.7 Glendale, CA News/Talk -65
KIRN 670 AM 32.8 Simi Valley, CA Ethnic -66
KFI 640 AM 78.4 Los Angeles, CA Talk -68
KOGO 600 AM 168 San Diego, CA Talk -69

You can't really think anyone would use S-meter readings in place of
calculated contours or field strength readings with a calibrated, type
approved FIM, can you?

Why not? The meter I used on my receiver is calibrated. What do you
think a field strength meter is anyway?

The point of the numbers above is the signal levels are strong on all
these stations so noise is not an issue.

Of all these stations, only 3 get significant ratings in your ZIP code..

Must be a different reason other than signal strength, which is very
good according to empirical evidence, which means that your data is
faulty or assumptions made from that data are incorrect.

--
Telamon
Ventura, California
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