# Re: Speed of waves

• From: "Szczepan Bialek" <sz.bialek@xxxxx>
• Date: Thu, 7 Apr 2011 19:00:24 +0200

"John Smith" <assemblywizard@xxxxxxxxx> napisal w wiadomosci news:inkmkt\$4gt\$1@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
On 4/7/2011 12:53 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

All real waves are asymmetric. For this reason they transport mass.

As I allowed for, they vibrate, only, which can be defined, or re-word to "transporting matter, in place."

See Stokes drift: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stokes_drift

I prefer Faraday's idea. No aether. In space is the same as in metal.
Wibrating ions and electrons.

Nothing wrong with that. If we all seen things the same, all things would be the same (well, virtually, anyway!)

...
In aether model aether vibrate and particles "are in place". In
Faraday's model particles vibrate and no aether between them.
...

Yes, well, there is no such thing as an "empty box." In such a box, all the sides end up compressed against each other, obviously.

In real space no aether but ISM (rare plasma + dust).

Yes, I see, "something floating in nothing." All I see is an impossibility.

Air is floating in nothing. But between the air molecules are ions and electrons. In the space the proportions are different than in air.

The same speed of electric disturbances in copper and light in space was
the physical examples for the idea "no aether but vibrating particles".
"I suppose we may compare together the matter of the aether and ordinary
matter (as, for instance, the copper of the wire through which the
electricity is conducted), and consider them as alike in their essential
constitution; i.e. either as both composed of little nuclei, considered

In above Faraday use the word aether but he explains what it is made of.
Today we say space. Space is filled with ISM.
S*

Ether severs another import avenue to explain another observed phenomenon. How two particles can exist at the same place, at the same time

They vibrate and drift. Collision are also possible.

-- ether is the medium transporting the information so that this
becomes quite possible. Even makes the concept of time travel theoretically possible, indeed, being in two times, at the same time only appears as a possibility which exploits the same phenomenon.

Faraday said - no aether. He is always right.
S*

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