Re: Contrary current flow within a radiator

On Jan 14, 4:18 pm, Jim Lux <james.p....@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Roy Lewallen wrote:
I don't want to add ammunition to support Art's gibberish, but it's
interesting and not widely known that current *does* flow in the
opposite direction to the main flow, at certain depths in a homogeneous
conductor.

In a solid conductor, the current density does, of course, decrease
exponentially with depth. The depth at which it's decayed to 1/e (about
37%) of the surface density is the "skin depth". This is why a hollow
tube is just as good a conductor as a solid one, providing only that the
tube wall is at least several skin depths thick.

But the *phase* of the current changes with depth, too, quite
dramatically. As you go each skin depth deeper below the surface, the
phase becomes one radian (about 57 degrees) more lagging. So at pi skin
depths below the surface, the current is completely out of phase with
the surface current, i.e., it's flowing in the opposite direction. Of
course, the current density at this point is very small, only 1/e^pi ~
4% of the surface density, so only a small fraction of the total current
flows completely backward. (Good thing!) At two pi skin depths, the
current is again in phase with the surface current, but its magnitude is
only 1/e^(2*pi) ~ 1/500 of the surface density. And so forth.

This isn't of much immediate practical use, and it's certainly not
offered as supporting in any way Art's fanciful theories (whatever they
might be). But it is an interesting fact.

I wonder if one could set up some sort of interesting demonstration of
this.  If you could, for instance, have a 1 foot diameter conductor with
skin depth of an inch or so, and some (probably not feasible) way to
indicate current flow.  (yes, in order for this to happen it has to be
AC, etc.)

Why not insert a wafer of the same material parallel to the axis and
apply
a non destuctive test on the material as a whole. When the wafer is
withdrawn
would it not be possible to observe the actual effective skin depth.
Of course, the slot for the wafer must not enter the radial surface
of the
radiator other wise circular flow would be interupted thus destroying
the
datum apearance. Obviously I have not utelised a non destructive test
first hand.
From my point of view as long as there is an eddy current on the
surface to eject a resting particle
there is not the requirement for endles depth and decay would be the
condition of the particle alone
and not that of the conductor. The particle still has nuclear content
when it emerges from the Sun's
arbritary field which is obviously subject to decay
Regards
Art
.

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  • Re: Contrary current flow within a radiator
    ... interesting and not widely known that current *does* flow in the opposite direction to the main flow, at certain depths in a homogeneous conductor. ... In a solid conductor, the current density does, of course, decrease exponentially with depth. ... The depth at which it's decayed to 1/e of the surface density is the "skin depth". ... As you go each skin depth deeper below the surface, the phase becomes one radian more lagging. ...
    (rec.radio.amateur.antenna)
  • Re: Contrary current flow within a radiator
    ... opposite direction to the main flow, at certain depths in a homogeneous ... 37%) of the surface density is the "skin depth". ... As you go each skin depth deeper below the surface, ... the surface current, i.e., it's flowing in the opposite direction. ...
    (rec.radio.amateur.antenna)
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  • Re: Contrary current flow within a radiator
    ... it is an exponential function so it never goes to zero. ... The plots at the link Frank provided show current going rather abruptly to zero - even negative in some cases. ... Decrease of RF current with depth below the surface of a conductor is only a true exponential if the available conductor depth is infinite. ... I simply don't presume to know anything about it other than to observe that the citation appears to contradict the assertion that skin depth is limitless and exponential in real conductors. ...
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