Re: Bulk Buy for NEPT Rocket Tubes

steve.g.hall@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Oops, I made a mistake on a couple of sizes of tubes. I had the 3 and 4
pound listed as 2 and 3 pound. The corrected sizes are listed below.

Size Id. Od. Cost
--------------------------------------
2oz 3/8 9/16 $1.00
4oz 1/2 3/4 $1.20
8oz 5/8 15/16 $1.60
1lb 3/4 1-1/8 $2.05
3lb 1 1-1/2 $2.55
4lb 1-14 1-7/8 $2.60

Remember that these prices are for quantities of 1000 tubes. We
probably won't hit that number, except perhaps for the 1 lb size. This
means that the cost will probably increase by about 10%. There is also
a $50 set up charge per line item, so that cost will also need to get
added in, along with shipping. So, we won't know the exact cost until
we are ready to order.

NEPT are definitely not the cheapest available, but they are supposed
to be the highest quality. Most tubes sold by the usual suspects are
made from recycled kraft, which isn't nearly as strong as 100% virgin
kraft used in these tubes.

Steve



LadyKate wrote:
Oops... As KeepKool said - the 1 1/4 tubes are 4 lb - that is also what
I meant. 100 1/2", 50 3/4 and 50 1 1/4. However, if you have some 3lb
in the order (1"), I would consider them, too.

LK

LadyKate wrote:
Assuming the price per tube is the final cost (plus shipping) then I
could do 100 4 oz, 50 1lb and 50 3lb.

LK

steve.g.hall@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Everyone,

Sorry this took so long, but there was a mix up with the quote from
NEPT and it took nearly 2 weeks for them to get a quote out to me. Here
are the prices they quoted for for various "standard" rocket tubes. All
tubes are 36" long, and convolute wound from high burst strength 100%
virgin kraft paper. They are supposed to be the finest tubes available.

Size Id. Od. Cost
--------------------------------------
2oz 3/8 9/16 $1.00
4oz 1/2 3/4 $1.20
8oz 5/8 15/16 $1.60
1lb 3/4 1-1/8 $2.05
2lb 1 1-1/2 $2.55
3lb 1-14 1-7/8 $2.60

The price is per tube for quantities of 1000-2500. There is also a $50
set up charge per item. The cost decreases by about %10 for quantities
of 5000. I wanted to get quotes for smaller quantities, but I don't
want to wait for another 2 weeks to get that quote. I think you could
count on the cost being about %10 higher for quantities less than 1000,
plus there is a minimum charge of $385. However, I don't know if this
minimum charge is for the total order or for each line item.

So, if anyone is still interested just send me an email and/or post to
the group what size tubes and the quantity you would be interested in.
I realize that some of you already expressed interest from my post of
two weeks ago. Again, sorry for the delay, and please reply again if
you are still interested. Now that I have actual quotes, and everyone
is back from PGI, there may be more interest.

There was considerable interest for 1lb tubes and some interest for 4oz
tubes last time. I would be willing to pony up about $1,000 of my own
cash to purchase the tubes, and then I can take payment with paypal and
ship tubes out to individuals once they arrive. This would probably be
the easiest way to handle requests for small numbers of tubes. If
anyone wants large numbers of tubes, then we can work out the details
on how to pool our money for the purchase...

Steve

Hello Steve,

I meant to send you am e-mail about the NEPT co-op order for tubes and
it apparantly didn't go through. I have ordered from them in the past
and have been involved in several other co-op deals through others.
NEP convolute high burst virgin kraft parallel tubes are
unequalled (as you know if you've used them.) The advantage is:
extremely high burst and pressing strength, burn through resistance and
low weight with minimal OD which make their use for rockets, spolettes
and especially, aerial wheel turners and lifters ideal. Pound for
pound, they were touted to be as strong as steel. The trick is in the
many layers of thin virgin kraft (as opposed to fewer turns of thicker
bogus or other recycled kraft of chip boards, and the adhesive they
use. Believe me, between Steve Majdali and myself, nearly every
parallel tube and core manufacturer has been contacted and no one
offers this type of quality tube in smaller (10,000 tube) runs anymore.
Mike Gill (Triple G Paper Tube) was the stocking source for these tubes
since the earlier days of the PGI, and I think myself and Orv Carlisle
were some of his better customers before the Washington D.C office of
the Politbureau started using the U.S. Constitution as toilet tissue.
Here a few points to consider: (if this is old news to you, please
disregard as I don't know your experience in all this.

First, the co-op:

I'd suggest that you stick with the machine rolled lengths (not cut to
end use size) and let the buyer cut to his or her needs. Obvious money
savings, plus, anyone with access to a band, chop, or even radial arm
saw can cut exactly what is best for his/her use in matter of minutes.

There is no advantage to using this quality and expensive tube for
anything but rockets, drivers or spolettes, so this keeps things
simple: 3/8",1/2", 5/8". 3/4", 7/8", 1", 1-1/4" nominal ID bores only
(I would offer 5/16" for spolettes too but that's not going to be a
large volume tube) Sales history I've gathered shows the biggest volume
is in 3/4" and 7/8" nominal I.D. tubes these days. Then 1/2" and 5/8",
1-1/4". 3/8" and 1".

Tube I.D. and O.D: Tube I.D. should be compatable with tooling to
allow a snug but not tight fit of drifts and nipples. Rich Wolter's
tooling is "full sized"; it's machined to what it says, so the I.D. of
the tubes we have made for them should be .005" to .010" larger to
facilitate this. (I use Rich as a benchmark because there are more
Wolter tools out there than all others combined. He's made all my
tooling and many other manufacturers and hobbyists since 1975) Tube
O.D. is less important but still a consideration for several reasons.
First, for achieving a minimal burst strength for high pressure
devices and secondly, for uniformity in fixed pressing sleeve tooling
and boring jigs, plastic helicopter andmissile wings and plastic
rocket heads and nose cones. As the Plastico Gamon girandola/palatelle
wheels with integral tube clips become available in this country, tube
O.D. becomes increasingly important. I have the dimensions which seem
to work well for I.D. and O.D. of the various bere tubes most often
used if you want them. As you have undoubtedly found, NEPT uses a
software for manufacturing, quotations and billing which carries
tolarance to 3 decimial points (thousandths). I am bringing all of
this up because I'd hate to see you order tubes which people may find
unsatisfactory upon reciept of them. Then, no one is happy especially
when the cost of these tubes is rather steep.

This brings me to a final point which is time and cost to put an order
together. It is no small task to research and pool orders from a group
of widely scattered "strangers", get quotations from the manufacturer,
place, prepay, take delivery and inspect the shipment, break down and
repackage the individual orders (your packaging materials), calculate
shipping, contact customers, address and prepay shipping on the end
orders and carry all risk. You are going to be the "go to guy" for any
complaints, shortages and sundry problems that may occur through no
fault of your own. Having opened a wholesale supply business from
scratch in 1976 and run it for 28 years, I'm acutely aware of the
problems which can occur. Your time is not free so include a small
percentage to the cost from the manufacturer to reimburse this. The
end result will still be a bargain for the buyer over retail. And,
after all, we are not Communists yet, no matter what our comrades in
Washington have done to us in the past 50 years.

John Reilly

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