Re: i am looking for someone to teach me about pyrotechnics privately in my general aria

Interesting point to nibble upon Tom, but then as you already know I
have been both the victim of 'Mother Yellow's' training as well as that
from Raytheon. As you probably know, these are two very diverse views
of how to do business.

Mother Yellow taught me to show up for a meeting wearing a fresh
laundered white shirt (colored shirts were not permitted for
professionals to wear) and a conservative tie while wearing a dark
suit. At Raytheon I was taught that "Better is the enemy of good", and
to ignore the "window dressings" and focus on the substance of what is
being said.

As a consequence, today when I show up as a meeting in the role of a
consultant, I am always dressed in 'Mothers' uniform, but pay more heed
to what the old Jews at Raytheon taught to me.

If you listened to todays news, you likely heard the candid comment
that George Bush said to Tony Blare. Here, good old George was caught
off camera in his comments, which were to the substance of: ...Perhaps
if we can get the Syrians to assist in this, maybe we can stop some of
this ***. Now GW may have offended some people with the bluntness of
his comment, but, Tom, you'll have to agree that the nature of his
intercepted comment was, well, rather unambigious.

I suppose that's my nature. I really don't care a bit about the clever
language that somewone cloaks his information in, it is the content of
the information that is the essential factor.

Now, children close your ears for about what is to be said.

Frankly, while I admire the carefully worded postings from Mike, Lloyd,
and anyone else, any post that contains useful information I treasure,
be it from someone that posts in single sylable words, mispells every
word. or calls me a stupid SOB and *** sucking mother fucker. Trust
me, I've been called far worse in Italian, but being cursed in Italian
has a certain musical ring to it which English lacks.

Tom, some of my very best knowledge in firworks came from guys whose
every other word began with the letter 'F', plus who could barely speak
English.

Consequently I would have to take dispute with you post in this thread.
I'm not a very sophisticated sort of guy (although there are some that
would challenge this statement), but posts attacking anything as
superficials as the posters spelling and grammar do, in my mind, tend
to label themselves as being provinical, unsophisticate, and in the end
ignorant.

Myself, I've noticed that the less educated among us are the first to
jump on the trivial errors in grammar and spelling by others. Scholars
assume that this is simply because of the low level that their
intellectual processes of these peopoe take place.

Tom, we learn a great deal about people by the way in which they post,
but in no way does that influence the quality of the information that
they share, at least to anyone having an education of any worth.

Dhuh, and pass the friggin butter because I need to be at Haavad Yahd
soon.

Kindest regards, Harry C.

p.s., Note the intentialnal misspellings.






fargowest@xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
Harry,

This sidebar (regarding language and its use) causes me to recall a
story that was once told about a since-retired CEO of Scandinavian
Airlines. According to the tale, this CEO would sometimes showup
unannounced at one of his airline's gates (different cities and dates)
and enter one of his aircraft just before his paying passengers were
allowed onboard. He would examine the seats and their condition, the
cleanliness of the lavatories, the state of the carpeting beneath his
feet; he would check ashtrays, the appearance of "clean" drinking
glasses, the condition of magazines, etc.

Asked why he would "waste" his time on such trivial QC, he responded
that if a passenger discovers small details not properly attended to
was it not entirely reasonable for those passengers to wonder then
about the timeliness and completion of larger and more important (and
largely unseen) maintenance issues?

You and I (and others) can hem and haw about how well that kind of
logic flows but from a passenger's point of view, I suspect he's mostly
dead-on.

Ergo, I tend to favor LK's perspective on this point ... even as I'm
sometimes guilty of the same sloppy language sin. There is the point
that holds that sloppy language tends to denote sloppy thought. And in
almost any pyrotechic venture, what fate awaits him who makes a habit
of sloppy thought?

Yours to nibble upon!

Tom C.



hhc314@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Kate, you raise a good point. Still it is the content of the post, more
so than the grammar and spelling that defines the poster.

Realize, this is Usenet. (Be sure that you comprehend what this
implies.)

Actually, the exact composition of any given post will give you a
pretty good idea of the age of the poster, his or her background,
experience and education. Sometimes this is a useful bit of
intelligence to have prior to responding.

Both my wife an I are originally from New Jersey, where there is a
particularly unique pattern to speaking, and dropping 'G' from the end
of a word. Then we moved to the Boston area, where the prevailing
language dropps the 'R' from words...leading to things like "paark the
ca in the side yaad" and "The Havaad Yaad". This is the King's English
of South Boston...which it took me a year here to understand.

So Kate, just a mere nudge from the Wouff Hong, when you comment on the
way that people speak and spell, it reflect a bit of povencialism on
your part. Reverting to my native languate, it is sorta like the way an
Italian fellow travelor was treated in Springfield, MO, when the
waitresses congregatd on him because he was of dark, Italian
complexion, and his name was Sam Latone.

Quite honestly, the two very worst places in the US to ever visit are
Springfield, MO and Tulsa, OK. The people that live in these two towns
are so provincial that it defies imagination. Then too, the center of
culture in Tulsa is "Oral Roberts University".

Kate, you make great posts on fireworks, but please don't by
ctiticizing any poster's language and grammar, unintentionally lablel
yourself as a clueless, provincial, ignorant person.

Some posters on rec.pyrotechnics are very fastidious in the composition
of their posts, and some even use spell and grammar checkers. Still,
that is not in keeping with the nature and intention of the medium.
It's a real time interactive medium, and if you have to compose your
posts off-line, then you totally loose the spirit and flavor of Usenet.

Now if I were posting off-line, I likely would have deleted my comments
about Springfield and Tulsa, but posting on-line in real time I don't
have that luxury.

Harry C.




LadyKate wrote:
jakowako2 wrote:
am looking for someone to teach me about pyrotechnics privately in my
general aria
i live in heartfordshire, england, weston near (boldok)
and i have not seen many places within an houres drive.
the only surviving firework manufactuars i know of are:
1.kimbolton fireworcks
2.one in the back of an wheel chair shop (i found this quite funy)
3.and one near to woking next to a catory and dog breeders (i also
found this rather funy)
4.and some peoples freind who we were considering using for our own
personal display as he had done many profesional one in the past
(regretably i dont know his name but i will folow this up in the near
future)

i realy want to become an active part of this amazing exhilarating art
of fireworck making and launching

but i do need to find some-one with past experiance in the chimicles
and proceses

i have posted a similar post some time ago in a diferent forum whith
only the reply of "forget it if you have no books on the subdject"

i have spend mutch of my time memorising and studying all maner of
things i need to know and in doing so i found this forum

ps. i would like to thank all the people here on this forum even if you
were not a major part of it for making it sutch an interesting place to
read/post/enjoy

There are a number of English pyros on this NG but you might have
better luck with UKr which is located in England.
http://www.ukrocketry.co.uk/forum/index.php?act=idx

Many of us are casual writers (especially me) but when we write about
pyrotechnics, we are more careful. Do spell checks on your posts before
you upload and your message will get a more positive result.
Pyrotechnic discussions require a higher level of precision than
day-to-day emails or texting. Therefore, many get upset when there are
lots of spelling errors or grammar errors. A quick spell check will
make people think you are serious about the details.

Good luck.

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