Re: Dear Paul, July 12, 2006, updated, July 13, 2006, updated

Great post Clauser. Not to go back where those others of you
pernicious sparm reside, one of the alt newsgroups in which I or most
intelligent people have not interest.

I would suggest that sci.pyrotechnics readers with Google access take a
look at his past posts and the newsgroups he posts to. It's public
record. Guys like this hate it, because it highlightes the fact that
they are not rec.pyrotechnics posters, and their history shows that
they have recently posted to child pornography, off the wall arts, and
auto mechanic newsgroups. Look it up for yourself. Now that's is
definitely a very mean spirited thing to state, but it's a given and
observable fact.

I realize that I pontificate on some subjects at sometimes excess
length but some rec.pyrotechnics readers prefer this to simply reading
one or two line slammers, from posters having an I.Q. somewhat below
college and having little or no experience with fireworks.

See guys, if you don't eradiate the cancer at the outset, it spreads,
and sometimes kills newsgroups.

He protest about my lenthy but hopefully informative posts, something
on pyro, and sometimes on more esoteric, historical, or newsgroup
focused topic. Obviously Mr. Clauser has not been on the Internet long
enough to use the controls on his newgroup brouser, has his very
lowest interest on the scinece on the science and art of pyrotechnics
(for him in smaller words, Fireworks). Evidently he is function under
the spell of the man or woman who fulfills his sexual need (forget it
said that, but it's quite true that we've seen that happen on this
newsgroup previously. (Remember Ms. Glasswipe or whatever his/or her
name was, that repeatly flamed Mike Swisher, until he finally fired
back and that poster went away, and was never seen again (at least
posting under the same name). Sadly, a similar attack on Mike happend
about a week ago, and he again fired back. I haven't read any posts by
his attackers since that time.

Now I am not either as erudite or experienced as Mike, still when
enough is enough. Aso, I pay close attention to the advise of Lloyd,
which to me tranlates to the "Rules of Engagement". And to Lloyd, when
you someone like Mike or yourslef catch this crap, it may be time to
pre-arm the Nukes.

After a very bad experience from one of these insane posters, I
contacted his ISP (who actually he was an exployee of) with copies of
his posts, emails, and threatening telephone calls made to my home, and
he hasn't been here since! Things have not erupted to that point, and
I'm personally inclinded to avoid such Nuke actions, but sometimes it's
required, and fully justified as a response.

This is why I have no fear in posting under my real name, and most of
you here already know my actual email address and telphone number. As
far as anyone loving or hating my posts, I really don't give a rat's
ass, but hope that they are useful, enjoyable, or informative to at
least one reader.

Harry C.














jclauser@xxxxxxxxx wrote:
Blah, blah, blah...just like always

Instead of writing a novel espousing your infinite wisdom on the state
of this or other newsgroups and web forums, why not spend that time
out in your shop ramming a beautiful fountain or exhibition rocket?
Anyone who's been reading this group for more than a few months knows
your take on this issue.

Realize too that many of those "kewl bombz dudez" are now 20-something
adults with a real interest in pyro. I haven't seen a post here from
a kewl in many years...they tend to hang out on like-minded web
forums.



On 15 Jul 2006 17:42:06 -0700, "hhc314@xxxxxxxxx" <hhc314@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:

Jim, the last time I heard from Bill Nelson about 4 or 5 years ago,
regaeding updating the FAQ for this newsgroup. I was to buisy to help
out at the time, and also labored under the belief that the Usnewsgroup
advanced to much over the past 10 or so years, that the FAQ documents
had become more or less and archaic expansion on subject that are
better addressed in other forms of media. I lost track of him since
that time, although someone told me that both he and Tom sometimes
posted on the PML.

So far as I am aware, Tom Peregrin (of course not his real name) left
his faculty position at (IIRC) Arizona, and moved into business
ventures that began to take up more and more of his time. After writing
and Publishing IPP, the last I heard of from Tom was that he had become
involved in the design, manufacture, and sale of electroinc firing
systems, althoug I can't recall the company or brand name. Others here
like Lloyd or Mike may be better able to provide better information
about this. Other than that, I don't know if Tom remains engaged (at
least part time) in adadaemic still, but the fact remains that I
haven't seen Top (who posted under the name of TIP) post here for many
years.

Realize that I in previous posts mentioned that rec.pyrotechnics has
over the years going through a number of upturns and downturns, and it
is during the periods of downturns that most of the older and more
experienced posters simply become frustrated and disgusted with the
newsgroup as a whole. Then an upturn takes place because the name
callers, "kewl bombz dudez" have not interest in talking to each other,
hence more mature and experienced voices begin to appear -- once again.
Then after a few years, the cycle begins a new, probably because most
of the new posters haven't been around long enough to remember what has
happend in the past.

This hopefully will never become an issue with Google Advanced
Pyrotechnics, my guess is that it least to some degree it will. All of
the dialogue sites on the Internet eventually become a trade-off
between a form of censorship by moderation, and the acceptance that in
a free society, becasue some folks are reluctant to realize that the
price of reading the posts with fantastically useful information
content is that of accepting posts that either offend you or with which
you take emotional levels of disagreement.

Realize that it takes only one keystroke today to skip over the posts
that offend you becasue of a ego issue, oscene language, or have a
content of total nonsense. For me, the price of admissing to free
discussion is simply to filter out the gold contained in a post, or
simply hit a key to skip reading that individuals's post. That choice,
in a free-speech society which invites participation by anyone
(ignorant or brilliant) is to me implicit. To believe otherwise is an
opening for others to limit what you can read, and an open invitation
to the Clerics in the Middle-East to attempt to define their concept of
politics and moralit; or for historic groups like the German Nazi's to
burn books written by Jew, or addressing subject that they disagree
with.

Then too, readers are fully justified in pointing out the errors of an
ignorant, insulting, and obscene posters ways to him or her, which has
in is sometimes being done with one person's post here, with the
purpose of discouraging others of his ilk to do the same. A poster here
responded this by stating something to the effect that: "Hiroshima was
a fully justified reply to "Peal Harbor" and other gross events that
took place during WWII as and analog to the responses that some of
these extreme off-topic posters sometimes receive here. Others have
responsed by suggesting the traditional Pennsylvania Dutch and Society
of Friends (Quaker response) called "shunning". My personaly attitude
for the correct reply strongly depends on the nature of the offense,
plus if it continues to take place.

For perpetual offenders to fundamantal Internet rules of long standing,
you can always nuke them through sending copies of their mutiple
offending posts and emails to their ISPs, who in extreme cases will
share these with every ISP in the Western World. This is pretty
extreme, since today it will totally block someone's total Internet
access, be it Usenet Newsgroup or WWW for many years, possibly forever.
This is the ultimate harsh response, still I've seen it used to
effectively silence some people from annoying or persecuting others, or
groups, on the net. This can have some pretty harse consequences, since
some of the worst offenders I know of actually worked for an ISP, and
considered themselves pretty "bullet proof", but in two cases of which
I am aware, the offender lost not only his Internet access, but his job
as well. This rarely happans but does happen. Feel free to contact me
by email if you would like to lean the particulars of one such case I
became involved.

Kindest regards, and good luck with Advanced Pyrotechnics.

Harry C.










Jim B. wrote:
Sadly, many of the great posters
like Bill Nelson, Tom Peregrin, and so many others are now gone, but
thankfully been replaced by many other helpful and competent posters.

Hope this helps just a little.

Harry C.


Harry,

I wonder If Tom P. and Bill Nelson are still active in pyro? I mean
Tom P. Liked it enough to write a book, he obviously knows about rec.
Pyro, Did he just drop off the earth or what?


But then again I can see pyro being something that once you drop the
habit it might stay dropped. Everybody knows how Demanding and time
consuming it really is, not to mention pressure and nerves. hard to see
that for what it is worth in the midst of it but put it away for a few
months and It might be hard to get the head of steam up again.

Any thoughts on this?

Jim B

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