Re: OT - Supply side solution for oil energy bound to fail.

There are plenty of alternative fuel sources, but they all suffer from one
important problem....None of them are cheaper per mile than gasoline.

Simple solution, the US government could legislate that 25% of all
automobiles that are produced in the USA from 2007 onward should be Ethanol
fuelled only and subsidise that segment of the industry, then require Gas
stations to allocate a similar percentage of pumps for Ethanol fuel giving
tax breaks to those that actively promote Ethanol over Gasoline, create a
market for the farmers producing Ethanol to sell to and the price will drop
when consumers are given a real alternative to Gasoline that is Government
and Industry supported, instead of empty words from the President about oil
addiction and lip service about Ethanol and conservation, of course none of
this would ever happen in the USA because your politicians are all in the
back pockets of vested interests in the 'old' fossil fuel business, they'd
rather go to war to continue the old model instead of making the changes
necessary to American society for the future. You cannot have Democracy if
politicians are servants of corporations, politicians are elected to serve
the people, the people have a wide variety of interests where a corporation
has only one, profit. I don't believe there is much chance of positive
change happening in the American system, there is too much corruption and
money sloshing around your political system, just look at the ludicrous
amounts of cash it takes to 'run' for President these days, one can only
imagine the kind of promises a Presidential candidate has to make to get
this cash.

American oil companies have kept the price of gasoline to the American
public down to like one half what they pay for it in Europe for >over 30
years now, and they do this in spite of the taxes we pay to both state and
federal government for it.

The high taxes we pay in Europe have a positive two fold effect, consumption
is limited to necessity while extraneous use of motor vehicles is curbed due
to high fuel price and this serves the conservation agenda which will become
even more important when oil goes over $100 a barrel, it is not uncommon to
find that the majority of cars on European roads are only 1.3 Litre to 1.8
Litre engines, the high
level of tax taken is then ploughed back into the nations
infrastucture,hospitals, schools, social welfare etc etc...

It cost about 10 cents a
gallon to make gasoline from 1920 to 1950 in this country.....Every cent
over that was due to government taxes. - I doubt seriously if it costs very
much more than about a dollar a gallon even today, some 50 years later.

How is the low price beneficial? it just encourages the people to consume
and waste more resources.

If capitalist ideals have been corrupted, it hasn't been the oil companies
who
did it......Look to government greed and interference for that.......

The US government does nothing to hinder the wants of energy corporations in
America, infact it goes to war, stages coups etc etc for them. The taxes you
pay on gasoline are miniscule in a European context, in
fact those taxes barely register and they should be increased plus
Government levies placed on the purchase of inefficient vehicles like SUV's
to curb wasteful consumption.

I drive a car with a 1.6 litre engine, it's maximum tank capacity is 55
litres (14.53 Gallons), the most expensive filling station I saw as recently
as yesterday selling 1litre (0.26 Gallons) of unleaded petrol at 1 Euro 20
cents, so 1.20 x 55L = 66.00 Euro ($84 est.) to fill the tank on a small
engine car, my car will roughly do 500 miles at average speed of 60mph, make
the same calculation at Euro prices with the engine size/tank capacity of
the car you nominally drive and see how much cheaper US gas prices are and
by how much over consumption is involved travelling a similar distance, of
course I understand there are many variables involved but a fair indication
on costs/distance can be had. Keep in mind that 1 Gallon for me at local
prices costs roughly 4.80 Euro or 6.10 USD.

"William Graham" <weg9@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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"Joseph Kewfi" <f_stopblues@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I hold stock in Exxon Mobil Corporation.....My father worked for them
for
nearly 40 years. You too, could hold stock in them.....It's as close as
your
telephone.....Easier than ordering some film from a website on the
internet.
If they are stealing so much money from the rest of the world, why
don't
you
ride in their getaway car, and start counting the ill-gotten gains
yourself?

I have no interest in becoming part of the problem.

I am a capitalist, and proud of it....As soon as an alternative fuel
source is developed that costs one cent per mile less than gasoline,
there
will appear an "Alt-on" Corporation that outsells Exxon, and I will
sell
my
Exxon stock and buy Alton. - That's the way it works, Bub.....

A sustainable widely available alternative fuel source has not been and
will
not be developed because vested interests prevent its development, this
is
not going to change without instigation from government, if the
government
is in bed with those same vested interests that prevent positive
profitable
change (environmental,social and financial), then that is not
capitalism,
it's corruption of capitalist ideals.

Nonsense! - This is the old, battery that holds 10 times the
charge/carburetor that gets 100 mpg paranoid anti-capitalist argument that
I
have been hearing all of my life. How come when I worked for industry
nobody
told me to stop doing research on certain selected items, or to not work
on
any good ideas? There are plenty of alternative fuel sources, but they all
suffer from one important problem....None of them are cheaper per mile
than
gasoline. Even using old deep fry grease as diesel fuel costs a few cents
more per mile than gasoline, so the only ones using it are those who want
to
boycott the oil companies. American oil companies have kept the price of
gasoline to the American public down to like one half what they pay for it
in Europe for over 30 years now, and they do this in spite of the taxes we
pay to both state and federal government for it. It cost about 10 cents a
gallon to make gasoline from 1920 to 1950 in this country.....Every cent
over that was due to government taxes. - I doubt seriously if it costs
very
much more than about a dollar a gallon even today, some 50 years later. If
capitalist ideals have been corrupted, it hasn't been the oil companies
who
did it......Look to government greed and interference for that.......





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