Re: Palestinians Under Attack

On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 16:22:02 -0500, "J. Clarke"
<jclarke.usenet@xxxxxxx> wrote:

tony cooper wrote:
On Sat, 17 Jan 2009 11:25:54 -0600, "HEMI - Powered"
<none@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

tony cooper added these comments in the current discussion du jour
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Try travelling outside the US and you will find NO ONE is
envious of the US

You do like hyperbole, don't you? In 2004, almost 35 million
people living in the US were foreign-born. I wouldn't use the
word "envious", but those people found something about the US
that was more appealing to them than their native country.

To put that 35 million in perspective, that's about half of the
population of the UK.

Tony, those emigrating from ALL other countries to the US, legally,
are not envious per se, they SAW an advantage as you observe and
took the steps necessary to come here. I was referring to those in
other countries, both the Socialist ones in Europe and the Third
World who seem to hate the US precisely BECAUSE we have wealth,
freedom, safety, protections from despots, job and education
opportunities, an outstanding medical system, and by FAR the most
freedom of choice and the LOWEST taxes of ANY other country,
period. It is these things and more that cause outsiders to HATE us
because they're stuck in places that confiscate their wealth,
restrict their freedoms, rights, and protecions, and have little to
offer.

Bullshit. The people in other countries who "hate" the US are
people
who have either real or imagined reasons to hate us because we have
some direct effect on their lives. They don't hate us because of
what
*our* lives are like; they hate us because of how they feel our
actions will affect them.

They are not interested in what our lives are like in the US or in
the
conditions you describe above. They are only interested in us when
our foreign policy, our economic reach, or our physical presence in
their country has some direct negative effect on their lives.

They don't hate us because of our wealth. They hate us because we
use
our wealth to interfere with them. They don't hate us because of
our
freedom. They hate us because we try to impose our concept of
freedom
on them. They don't hate us because they are stuck in places that
confiscate their wealth, or restrict their freedoms, rights, and
protections. They hate us because our government takes some action
to
change their way of life in some way that they do not want to
change.

Apply all of this logic to Bin Laden for us.

Al Qaeda was formed in 1988 in protest to foreign intervention in the
Middle East. Al Qaeda was never about opposing the United States for
being the United States as Jerry describes it. Al Qaeda is about
opposing the United States because of United State's presence in the
Middle East.

Jerry's proposing some nonsense about us being hated for what we have
here, but that's completely illogical and untrue. It's what we've
done *there* that focused Bin Laden on us. Bin Laden wasn't concerned
about any of the factors that Jerry mentioned because the factors
Jerry mentioned are all factors of the conditions under which
Americans operate in the United States. It's when we poked our nose
in the Middle East that Bin Laden considered us to be his enemy.

This is not to say that we should not be involved in the Middle East.
We have considerable interest in the Middle East, and considerable
reason to protect our own interests there. We don't seem to know how
to do it effectively, but we have reasons to do so.

Jerry's not exactly a deep thinker. The idea that Al Qaeda - or any
other foreign power - considers us to be the enemy because we have a
better health care system or lower taxes or more job opportunities is
ludicrous.


--
Tony Cooper - Orlando, Florida
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