Re: 1.5X Sensors VS. Full Frame and other questions...

I see you're still the same, abrasive cockhead, you were when I was here
last.


"Mark²" <mjmorgan(lowest even number here)@cox..net> wrote in message
news:SJD6g.18133$Qz.667@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
ASAAR wrote:
On Thu, 4 May 2006 22:08:25 -0700, "Mark²" <mjmorgan(lower even than
before)@cox..net> wrote:

If I ever really believed that tripods are only to avoid hand
motion blur, I would have simply set the camera on P and fired away
on the tripod...thinking that would render sharp images. But
ASAAR...it wouldn't!

Why do you have to repeatedly introduce invalid straw-man
arguments? I don't believe that, never said that, and have
repeatedly said the opposite, in effect, agreeing with your
contention. Are you really so poor at critical thinking?


To YOU and Alfred, ASAAR. It is acceptably sharp...to you and him.
But that is totally subjective as it relates to YOUR standards.

Maybe you should go back and download some of the messages you
claim to have missed. There are several others (of better than
average photographic ability) that have stated that Alfred's
original shot was not only more than acceptably sharp, but
demonstrated why camera motion could not have been an issue.

Great!
If it was only about camera motion, then that would be fine and dandy.



Again. We have different standards, and apparently different end
purposes with these images. My purpose was to capture something
worth of big enlargement. If you want a post-card, or slightly
larger print, then great!
You can sometimes get away with forgetting to focus altogether,
so long as you print small enough! :)

Nice of you to append the smiley, but it does little to eliminate
the odor of your own BS. What you state is true, but in no way can
it be applied to Alfred's image, which as much as you'd like to
imply otherwise, can be used to make very sharp prints far larger
than "post-card, or slightly larger" prints. You really love to
create these straw men, don't you?

You really like my klink file, don't you.
This is why you end up there.
You more about repeated your same old argument, and care very little about
the photographic issue .

To get a sharp image:
1. Focus.
2. Control DOF
3. Use small aperture also to mazimize lens sharpness potential
4. Use support when possible (i.e. tripod, bean bag, monopod) to
eliminate camera motion blur.

Why do you only care about #4?


Alfred never made any
claims about the shot being an example of perfection, that it was
the sharpest image possible to capture.

You missed the part where he claimed that my half-dome shot would
have been just fine...hand-held...and cranked up to 400 ISO. :)
-How is it that you miss these key points???
THAT...is what I responded to, ASAAR. That you keep pretending this
is only about the spire is just silly.

Spire? When did I ever say *anything* about a spire? Thou dost
protest too much, bubba. I'm beginning to wonder if you really
missed all of the messages that you say you did.

I've never lied to you, ASAAR, and so it follows that I missed what I said
I missed.

Are you confusing
me with someone else, or are you only confusing yourself?

Nope. You're the same guy you've always been.

And there's no reason for me to go off on a tangent arguing about
other issues. Whether you or Alfred are right or wrong (or just
have different values) about your half-dome shot is immaterial.
I'll leave you to argue that fine point with others. Please take
care to note that I'm not saying that you're wrong about that issue.
I've been discussing one point, and one point only.

Ya. No kidding.
Why?
What are you hoping to accomplish?

You can keep
trying to divert me into other issues,

Divert you?
No.
This conversation started without you and your "issues."

you'll only be wasting
your own time with those attempts.

True. As well as any other time I might spend with you.

If you had provided a
reasonable, clear answer to the one question I've repeatedly asked
of you, I might have spent some time looking into these other
issues. And while I can't guarantee it, I might even have agreed
with your new arguments. But as you apparently refuse to provide a
clear, definitive answer to the one simple question I've asked of
you, I can only assume more time will be wasted going off in the new
directions you're blazing.


, but I also think that if most
people were able to hold cameras as steadily as Alfred, many
photographers would travel more comfortably by traveling without
several pounds of tripod lashed to their pack. You may be able to
do better with your gear, especially if and when you pick up a 5D.
You may also gain a reputation for being able to create large,
critically sharp, wonderful images. But that would unfortunately be
counterbalanced by gaining a reputation for having a tendency to
post small, unnecessarily sharp, belittling replies.

How is that last statement you made not belittling?

I thought that it was you that was the tough guy. Now it seems
that deep down, you're just the sensitive Mr. Softee that you tried
to pin on me.

I'm not offended by your belittling, because I know who I am and who I am
not...
...But I don't mind pointing out your hopelessly hypocritical mindset.

But yes, I can not only be sensitive, sometimes I'm
also capable of having and understanding nuanced arguments. Is that
something that you can admit to, or is it too politically incorrect?
:)


You are such a hypocrite, ASAAR. You seem to feel that so long as
you
put me down regarding complaints about my posts that you are
somehow above what you whine about. Hypocrite. The only difference
is that you whine about me, and I simply go on and let your incessant
whining fall by hte way-side.

There's no hypocrisy at all. In a thread that had been growing
and growing, there was disagreement but no real contentiousness
until you introduced unnecessary insults and/or snide comments.
You've done that many times before, so it's an M.O. that you've
earned, and pointing that out is not an insult, but a statement of
fact that's relevant. And no, I'm not whining even though you see
it as such. But how is anyone reading your replies here able to get
past "I simply go on and let your incessant whining fall by hte
way-side."

It is important to you that you feel you've irritated me, isn't it.
If you are annoying, it wouldn't be for reasons you intend.

Is there any
chance that Mark² may be able to mellow as he ages? :)

As we age, our BS sensors become more accute as well.
Lets put it this way:
You've been...well..."sensed," and you are not only a sniveller, but
a hypocrite.

Bye bye, ASAAR.
May you have many a long evening writing responses to me.
It's rather amusing that you've been railing away all these months,
knowing I haven't seen a word of yours. If you feel that suits your
purpose somehow, then great. Knock yourself out!
You can have the last word...
Until the next time you manage to make it back onto my screen.
As it stands 10 seconds from now...you no longer have my ear.

Take care, but do try to expand your existence a bit.
I suggest a nice trip to Yosemite...with lots of lovely hand-held, large
aprerture landscapes and eventual 4x6 prints.
-Mark²

PS--I note that I've included some questions above in this post.
Feel free to answer them if you feel you need the typing practice...but if
you seek to garner my attention via your continuation of your subtle brand
of insanity, I wouldn't recommend it, as Elvis has left the building, and
you'll be talking to yourself. Perhaps you can take honor in knowing that
you'll be the first resident in my new laptop's plink file. :)



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