Re: Nikon D80/200 - Canon 30d

On May 31, 6:36 pm, Wolfgang Weisselberg <ozcvgt...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
new...@xxxxxxxxx <new...@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
If
you run the D200 image (especially the RAW file) through Noise Ninja
or NeatImage you can get results at least as good as what the 30D
produces.

Aren't you missing something?

No.

Like the fact that you can run the 30D images (especially the
RAW file) through Noise Ninja or NeatImage as well?

And that after applying NN or NI for *both* cameras, the difference
between the D200 and the 30D has not shrunk? If anything, it
has increased ...


What are you talking about? The D200 actually preserves *more* detail,
even at higher ISO's. With any decent NR software you should be able
to get results that are at least as good. While we're on the subject,
you're arguing out of both sides of your mouth. On the one hand the
resolution edge enjoyed by the Nikon is "irrelevant", but the alleged
extra noise by the Nikon at high ISOs -- which is not noticeable in
anything other than large prints and 100% crops, is easily fixable in
software, and is entirely a function of heavier in-camera NR by Canon
-- is a huge deal to you. Please make up your mind.

Anyway, if you want a full explanation see:

http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/dslr-comparison/index.htm

The truth is that cameras with similar-sized sensors and similar pixel
counts will generate about the same level of sensor noise.

Plus, the D200 is backwards-compatible with just about every
Nikon F mount lens built in the last 30 years.

Except all the exceptions.
While the 30D is compatible with *all* EF lenses ...

-Wolfgang


The "exceptions" are APS-format lenses and a very small number of low-
volume specialty lenses, which combined account for less than 1% of
Nikon AI F-mount lenses out there. My Tamron SP 90mm macro that I
bought back in 1989 works perfectly well. Not having to buy a new one
saved me $500, thank you.

AF assist lamp,

Practically every external flash unit has one, so?

Yes, but that means having to carry one around with you.


Don't forget the vertical banding issue.

You mean the banding issue that affected only a very small number of
cameras early in the D200 production run? That only showed up in
severely overexposed images? That Nikon fixed quickly and free of
charge? That banding issue?


And that the JPEGs out of the camera are compressed to a given
file size, instead of a given quality

The D200 lets you choose. Go into Shooting Menu -> JPEG Compression.

Anyway, I am not here to trash Canon or to say that the D200 is
perfect. I've already said the cameras are very similar. I'd much
rather be out shooting photos.

.

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