Re: Dog Barking

HOWEDY matty you pathetic miserable stinkin
lyin animal abusin punk thug coward active acute
chronic life long incurable mental case and professional
illegal doggy day care FRAUD an SCAM ARTIST,


"Rocky" <3dogs@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Nessa <ladybug0314@xxxxxxxxxxx> said in rec.pets.dogs.health:

REWARD does not have to be food.

INDEEDY <{}: ~ ) >

"REWARDS" may include PATTING <{}: ~ ) >

AN THAT DISTRACTS THE DOG FROM HIS LESSON
and may cause persistent aggression if witheld, therefore EXXXXPERT TRAINERS
DO NOT give "REWARDS" or
physical contact while trainin <{}: ~ ) >

There are way too many trainers out there who
purport various one size fits all methodologies.

That so, matty? Seems there's ONLY WON "trainer out
there who purport various one size fits all methodologies"
on accHOWENTA EFFECTIVE SCIENTIFIC Pavlovian
and Ericksonian BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION techniques
NEVER CHANGE otherWIZE they'd NOT BE SCIENTIFIC.

WOULD THEY, matty <{}: ~ ( >




Nothing but treats! No treats!

Withholding rewards can cause aggression,
seizures, phobias of all sorts and OCD'S.

"Despite Skinner's clear denunciation of "negative
reinforcement" (1958) NEARLY EVERY LEARNING
THEORY model involves the USE OF PUNISHMENT.
Of curse, Skinner has never to my knowledge, demonstrated
how we escape the phenomenon that an expected reward not
received is experienced as a punishment and can produce
extensive and persistent aggression," (Azrin et al, 1966).

I love working with multi-motivated dogs,

That so, matty?

especially when one type of reward is consistently
more well received than another.

That's ABSURD, matty. Hey matty? You remember when
you TRIED to get a dog in your imbecillic agility class to
give up ITS toy? You offered to BRIBE it an IT took your
whole bag of treats AND swallowed the toy CONsequating
in more than WON THOWESAND DOLLARS of veterinary
surgery for your "student"?

Oh, AND the dog BIT YOU, to boot.

Care to see it ALL in YOUR OWN POSTED CASE HISTORY?

For example, Friday likes treats - but he *loves* playing
tug. I exploit this disparity and selfishly manipulate my
dog to do my bidding.

Yeah. And if THAT DON'T WORK you just jerk an
choke an shock them till they DO <{}: ~ ( >

I've known Janet for over 10 years

janet has been takin ANTI-PSYCHOTIC
MEDICATION for twenty years.

and I think that I would have noticed if she was
one of those insane "no food at all" myopic trainers.

Of curse not~!


Janet B wrote:
On Fri, 02 Dec 2005 14:44:14 -0500, Janet B
<j...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, clicked their heels and said:
Since you quoted me repeatedly, where does it say I
beat dogs, choke dogs, scream at dogs, etc? Thanks
for your clarification.


responding to my own post, I had to go back and look
at the original post, to remind myself what "we" are all
accused of doing:

"screaming, choking,

shocking, pinching, beating
the living crap out of your dogs"

Scream? no

Choke? no

Shock? e-collars are a lot more sophisticated than that
Pinch? if you want to classify a momentary discomfort
by a prong collar, go ahead, but unless you have first
hand experience with one, your opinion means nothing.


Beat the living crap out of? hardly - no hitting exists


-------------------------


Here's HOWE COME:


Here's janet's CUSTOM MADE pronged spiked pinch choke collar:


http://tinyurl.com/5m6ppt


"Loop the lead (it's basically a GIANT nylon or leather
choke collar) over his snarly little head, and give him a
stern correction" --Janet Boss



"J1Boss" <j1b...@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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He was next to me and I could see his neck
muscles pulsing. He didn't even blink an eye.

Janet Boss



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"J1Boss" <j1b...@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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I can't imagine needing anything higher than a 5 with it,
even with an insensitive dog like a Lab.


An INSENSITIVE DOG???


I can't remember what model of Innotek I have,
but I had a pointer ignore a neck-muscle-pulsing 9.


Do you think the citronella collar is CRUEL
cause the SMELL LINGERS after the dog's
been sprayed in the face and the dog won't
know HOWE COME IT was MACED?

janet CONtinues:



My dogs are not human children wearing fur- they are DOGS.
I don't have anything against electronic bark collars, but they
should be used in conjunction with actually working at training
your dog(s).


They're DUMB ANIMALS these MENTALLY ILL LYING
DOG ABUSERS HURT INTIMIDATE and MURDER.

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From: j1b...@xxxxxxx (J1Boss)
Date: 2000/10/06
Subject: Re: Shina Inu Experts : Please help!


Dogman, quoting howdy-doody:



This is a young puppy, hardly a threat to a kat.
See? They just cannot conceive of a cat, for example,
scratching out the eyes of a young puppy because it didn't
want to be bothered by an over-exurburant puppy (are there
any other kinds?).


********** Jerry's never met a puppy, He's never met a
RETRIEVER PUPPY, that's pretty clear. I have a wonderfully
exhuberant retriever puppy - love every minute of it.

My 17 year old cat, doesn't have quite the same appreciation.


Sometimes, Franklin licks his ears and Robie enjoys it. Other
times, Franklin thinks Robie's another puppy and Robie does
not enjoy that. Without my supervision, confinement is only
sensible (of course).


I've got Jer-Jer kill-filed, but the glimpes at his posts, through
re-posts, are good indications that nothing has changed.



But if a crate is a "barrier" to training a puppy, then
what must the walls of a SCHOOL ROOM be, eh?


*********** and don't forget cribs for crawling babies, safety
gates, doors, etc. Let's just open up the houses and let
everyone run amok!


Ladies and gentlemen, he literally counts on many of
you being too damn stupid or ignorant to see just how
little he actually knows about dogs, puppies, cats, etc.
Don't let him, eh?

Dogman



************** It's so difficult for the newbies, since so many
of the people who DO have good advice, have killfiled him.

Tired of refuting slander and general inaccuracies in his "they're
all bad, I'm good" rants (without any actual training advice, as
usual) is a reality for most.


Are there actually people, besides Marilyn, who believe him?


Janet Boss
Best Friends Dog Obedience
"Nice Manners for the Family Pet"


THAT was your pal DOGMAN, another pathetic
miserable stinkin rotten lyin anonymHOWES coward.
Not so handsome, not so gentle, not so manly, not so
happy jackass, not even morrison aka dogman a.k.a.
BIG DADDY, a.k.a. tommy sorenson, sez:


"I don't know how big you are, kiddo, so this may
not be as easy for you as it is for me, but use
a little "knee action," that is, as the dog goes
charging by you, just give the dog a little bop
with your knee and shin.


Yep, really lean into it.


Even knock her over, if you can, but make sure to
make her think twice about rushing past you again -
- which is exactly what you want her to do.


Don't bother with scolding her, she'll get the message.


If it happens again, just REPEAT the knee action.


When she steps on your toes, just pick up your foot
abruptly and nudge her with your knee. Again, no
scolding is necessary here, so you don't have to
worry about her "over-reacting."


I don't think this is necessarily a lack of respect
for you, just a lack of training. That is, she just
needs *more* of it."


"My objective is always to find a way that WORKS.
And if it is DANGEROUS behavior that I'm trying
to modify, behavior than can get the dog KILLED,
I will resort to ANYTHING to save him.


A-N-Y-T-H-I-N-G.


Okay. Call me a cruel, inhumane, abusive ***
if you want to, but it doesn't affect me at all.
When you've saved the lives of as many dogs as I
have, you'll learn that that's the only thing that
really matters. Saving lives and making dogs become
good citizens


At no time do the Monks *ever* advocate beating a
dog. A swat on the rump or a check to the chin does
*not* constitute a "beating."


=====================


From: dog...@xxxxxx (Dogman)
Date: 1999/01/15
Subject: Re: Another mouthy lab


Get this book:


"The Art of Raising A Puppy," by the Monks of New Skete


If you can't find it locally, you can obtain it
through my Web site (see below).


You'll need it for more than just the usual puppy
"mouthing" problems, anyway.


And good luck with your Lab puppy!
--
Dogman


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From: osi...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Michael Erskine)
Date: 12 Aug 2004 10:09:05 -0700


Subject: My GSD bit me.
The question:


I have a four year old male GSD. He growls
at me sometimes. When he growls at me he
stares me in the face and lays his ears back.


The New Skete books say that the dog should not be
allowed to do that. They suggest shaking down the
dog by grabing the dog on the sides of his neck and
picking him off his front feet, then giving the dog the
same sort of treatment the dog would give another if
it were challenging him.


Namely getting in the dogs face and letting
the dog know you are the alpha dog.


Well, my dog bit me clearly he felt that I was not
convincing enough or he bit me out of fear.


Anyone got ideas on what to do with this dog that might
help him to decide that he wants to follow and that he
has nothing to fear from me?


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From: Charlie Wilkes <charlie_wil...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 17:21:14 GMT
Subject: Re: My GSD bit me.


You need to improve your acting skills. Get a werewolf
suit with blood-drenched fangs and claw gloves and THEN
go after your dog.


Knock the *** out of him and don't be afraid to crack
some ribs. Then yank the mask off and shout "SURPRISE!
IT'S ME!" I guarantee you and your dog will have a new
relationship based on mutual respect.


Keep in mind that the monks of New Skete
were pre-Lon-Chaney.


Charlie


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"Warning: Sometimes The Corrections Will Seem
Quite Harsh And Cause You To Cringe. This Is
A Normal Reaction The First Few Times It Happens,
But You'll Get Over It." mike duforth,
author: "CourteHOWES Canine."


"I have heard advice stating that you should pre-load
your dog for Bitter Apple for it to work as efficiently
as possible. What does this mean?


When you bring home the Bitter Apple for the first
time, spray one squirt directly into the dog's mouth
and walk away. The dog won't be too thrilled with
this but just ignore him and continue your normal
behavior."
--Mike Dufort
author of the zero selling book
"CourteHOWES Canines"


Borrowed from: "Puppy Raising Tips" from
professional trainers, John and Amy Dahl.


"Around four months many puppies can withstand a
correction. Unfortunately this is the time they start
teething and if their mouth hurts, they may act
generally sensitive. If this is the case, be patient and
wait for all those baby teeth to fall out.


In training, retrievers often respond to physical correction
better than verbal correction. While "NO!" is extremely
useful if puppy is about to bite an electrical cord or steal
food off the table, when you are teaching them something
(like obedience) a sharp jerk on their lead or swat with a
stick gets the message across with less emotion and less
effect on their confidence.


If they drop the dummy and act like their mouth hurts
when they are teething, stop all retrieving and wait for
their mouth to feel better. A correction should be just
severe enough to get the dog to respond.


Repeated weak corrections are very stressful to the dog."


================


"I Would Never Advise Anyone To Slap A Dog
I Do Not Believe There Is A Single Circumstance
Ever, Where Slapping A Dog Is Anything But
Destructive," "I don't see why anyone would want
to choke or beat a dog, or how any trainer could
possibly get a good working dog by making them
unhapper, fearful, cowering, etc." sez amy lying
frosty dahl.


lying frosty dahl sez she doesn't twist:
"None of my posts, prior to or subsequent to
Jerry Howe's attacks, encourage anyone to
twist ears, beat dogs, confront, intimidate,
frighten, or any of the crap he constantly
attributes to me," lying frosty dahl.


lying frosty dahl, oakhill kennels wrote:
Get A 30"- 40" Stick.You can have a helper wield
the stick, or do it yourself. Tougher, less tractable
dogs may require you to progress to striking them
more sharply


Try pinching the ear between the metal casing and
the collar, even the buckle on the collar. Persist!
Eventually, the dog will give in


but will squeal, thrash around, and direct their
efforts to escaping the ear pinch


You can press the dog's ear with a shotshell
instead of your thumb even get a studded collar
and pinch the ear against that


Make the dog's need to stop the pinching so
urgent that resisting your will fades in importance.


CHUCK IT Under ITS Chin With That Ever Ready
Right Hand, As it catches on, try using the stick
and no ear pinch.


When the dog is digging out to beat the stick
and seems totally reliable without any ear pinch,
you are finished


If the dog drops it, chuck it solidly under the chin,
say "No! Hold!"


(stay on the ear until it does) (perhaps because
the ear is getting tender, or the dog has decided
it isn't worth it)" lying frosty dahl.


"Chin cuff absolutely does not mean slap,"
professora gingold.


terri willis, Psychoclown wrote:
"Nope. That "beating dogs with sticks" things is
something you twisted out of context, because you
are full of bizarro manure."


"Pudge Was So Soft That She Could And
Would Avoid A Simple Swat On The Rump
With A Riding Crop," lying frosty dahl,
discoverer of CANNIBALISM in Labradors.

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SEE?

From: Rocky <2dogsREM...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 24 Jul 2004 04:00:53 GMT
Subject: Re: Info. on the puppy wizard?

Cam said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

Everything he preaches is very positive, no correction,
no punishment, all praise and love.

You are very wrong.

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"Rocky" <2p...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Kassie and Cam said in rec.pets.dogs.breeds:
Kill Fire?????? Is this a special block sender?

Killfile. Yes - it stops you from seeing messages that you
don't want to see.

Can you give me the idiots guide to this?

http://www.graphixmad.plus.com/OE_FAQ_newsgroups.html
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

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"Rocky" <2d...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame. Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine.

What an idiotic response!

Whoops.

------------------------

BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!

LIKE THIS:

From: Rocky <2d...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 23 Nov 2003 02:40:42 GMT
Subject: Re: house training

steve braun said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

I dont like the insinuations that i am
abusing my dog when i am NOT.

Then you may want to ignore the Puppy Wizard/Jerry Howe.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

From: Rocky <3da...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 16 Aug 2002 18:40:54 GMT
Subject: Re: training a dog...
nancyj wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

The pressure meant a GOOD possibility if she could just
push up hard enough, I'd understand. I did eventually <G>.
I switched to a light tap!

Yup, once a dog learns to sit, a light tap
works as a reminder when they "forget".
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

But "NEVER HIT your dog", eh, matty?

From: "Nevyn" <greatd...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 20:05:45 +0800

Subject: Re: puppy wizzards training manual.

G'DAY STEVE.

I used to be like you.

Then I found a book...it was called... the
wits end dog training manual.... and then
there was light..and perfectly trained dogs.
--
Thankyou,
Nevyn
Nevyn E.D.
Veterinary Nurse & Animal Trainer
greatd...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

"Yu agonna get whats comin' to you...for
all the bad bad things you to do your...dog"

________________________

"steve braun" <twopointerp...@xxxxxxx> wrote in message
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twopointerp...@xxxxxxx (steve braun) wrote in message
<news:2d60c10a.0311231219.d2cf140@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>...

Hello, Mr. puppy wizzard, how do i find a copy of your manual.
Do you have a link that takes me to it? I think i would like to read
it. Now i have another question for you in regards to walking your
dog. How do you feel about the gentle leader? I bought one for
each of my pups and the difference in walking them is
unbelievable. If you are not sure what the gentle leader is
check out their web site at www.premier.com. If you are as
good as you say you are i want to read your manual. thanks,

Steve
P.s. by the way my pup doesnt pee as soon as i put
him in his crate its after he's been in for a while and
cant hold it anymore that he pee's

Howdy, jerry, well i started reading your manual, Im
going to perfectly honest with you I thought last night
when i started reading your posts you were full of crap
but the more i read the more i could tell that you really
do care about dogs.

That is why asked for a copy of your manual.

I really like your analogy on barking that was very
interesting and gave it a perspective i never even
thought of.

As far as your praising the dogs when they are misbehaving
i still dont understand how that works (i didnt get all that far
in the manual yet. But i must say my female was clawing at
the couch so i praised her like you say to do, i praised her
twice for it and she stopped and came over to me.

So i think what you have to say has merit, And for one
am anxious to finish the book and get started because
i love my dogs and really am looking forward to interacting
with them on a positive note all of the time.

This may be a little premature jerry, but Thank you

Steve

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Rocky wrote:
Robin said in rec.pets.dogs.health:
Jerry, you give the lying dog abusing punk thug
coward mental cases too much credit for the ability
to influence

Naaah, The Amazing Puppy Wizard was just BAITING these lying
dog abusing punk thug coward mental cases again <{); ~ ) >

You really are a piece of work.

INDEEDY, matty. Robin studied and followed the INSTRUCTIONS
in her FREE COPY of The Amazing Puppy Wizard's 100%
CONSISTENTLY NEARLY INSTANTLY SUCCESSFUL FREE
WWW Wits' End Dog Training Method Manual and REPORTED
her 100% NEARLY INSTANT SUCCESS RIGHT HERE on The
Amazing Puppy Wizard's FREE WWW Wits' End Dog Training
Method Manual Forums And SCHOOL Of HARD KNOCKS
And HUMAN And ANIMAL BEHAVIOR RESEARCH
LABORATORIES, matty <{); ~ ) >

You're settin in it <{); ~ ) >

Keep this out of the health groups, 'kay?

Dogs DIE from separation anXXXIHOWESNESS, matty, JUST
LIKE HOWE your own DEATHLY ILL dog Rocky is DYIN from
STRESS INDUCED AUTO-IMMUNE DIS-EASE aka The Puppy
Wizard's SYNDROME, on accHOWENT of you're a lyin dog abusin
punk thug coward MENTAL CASE, matty, and you can't post here
abHOWETS nodoGgamenedMOORE <{); ~ ) >

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"Rocky" <2...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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>
> Linda wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> > When you compare using sound and
> > praise to solve a problem with using
> > shock collars, hanging, and punishment
> > how can you criticize the use of sound?

> There's nothing more to be said, then.
> You've made up your mind.

> But you've impressed me by mentioning
> that you're a professor with 30 years of
> experience.
\
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
>> I do know that hitting, hurting your dog
>> will often make the dog either aggressive
>> or a fear biter, neither of which we want
>> to do.
>
> And neither does anyone else, Jerome.
> No matter what Jerry Howe states.
>
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> BUT, giving you the benefit of the
> doubt, please provide a quote (an
> original quote, not from one of Jerry
> Howe's heavily edited diatribes) that
> shows a regular poster promoting or
> using an abusive form of training.
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> So, can you cite some examples of
> people recommending "shock collars,
> hanging, and punishment"?
> --
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
>
> What's the point, but: Refer me to those posts of
> which you have read so many. While you're going
> through them, point out those which recommend
> shocking, and pinching, and beating. Thank you.
> --
> -Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

> Rocky wrote:
> "Deltones" <vibrov...@xxxxxxxxxxx> said in
> rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
>
> > After your defense of "Limited" choking, what
> > would be the point? Where I come from, choking
> > is choking. It's never limited.
>
> So, you can't point out abuse where none occurs.
> Thank you for your contribution.
>-
> --Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

From: Rocky (2...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx)
Subject: Re: How to handle aggressive situations
Date: 2004-10-19 19:42:54 PST

Melanie L Chang said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> I try really hard not to yell. The times that I have,
> Solo joined in and then lunged to the end of the
>leash.

Or, at the other end of the spectrum, Rocky cowers,
thinking I'm angry at him - a reason I don't "yuk out"
others' dogs at agility trials or training.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

---------------

Sometimes my "voice of god" startles human
and dog, especially when the human didn't
see the inappropriate behaviour. --Matt.
Rocky's a Dog.

"Rocky" <2...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Rosa Palmén wrote in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

> Anybody else got bilingual dogs?

Long ago my Hebrew was pretty good - but now I
only use "Chutza"(throat clearing 'ch') - "Out" when
it's reallyreally important that my dogs get away from
something.

"Well, Jack Did Hit My Dog. Actually I'd Call It A Sharp
Tap Of The Crook To The Nose. I Know Jack Wouldn't
Have Done It If He Thought Solo Couldn't Take It. I Still
Crate Him Because Otherwise I Fear He Might Eat My
Cat," Melanie Lee Chang * mch...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Canine Behavioral Genetics Project
University of California, San Francisco
http://psych.ucsf.edu/K9BehavioralGenetics/

From: Rocky <2...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 10 Jun 2003 18:00:45 GMT
Subject: Re: Absolutely abysmal agility day

Robin Nuttall said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior

> One of the things that frustrates me the most about
> agility is that people seem to think that ALL dogs
> are fragile, shrinking flowers who cannot be
> corrected in any way.

Well, maybe one day -- when Friday doesn't take
correction so much to heart -- I'll try something
different. Right now, he's just getting the confidence
to work a few jumps ahead of me.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"I crate Rocky, even though he's 8.5 years old, but
only when I'm gone during summertime days -
maybe an hour at the most. (Other than hot days,
my dogs are always with me.)

While Friday has been totally reliable unsupervised
from the day I got him from a rescue, Rocky has not.

Rocky will go looking for food even in areas where
there's no possibility of food.

The good thing is that he likes his crate, runs for
it when I ask, and gets food when he's in it.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"Rocky" <3d...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Subject: Re: New Puppy. Need Help. Separation anxiety.

As a start, crate her in your bedroom at night. At three months
old, I wouldn't label her need for companionship as separation
anxiety.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

Subject: Re: Dog sleeping in own urine and eating feces!
PLEASE HELP!!!

"Rocky" <3d...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Jenn <jenn.e...@xxxxxxxxxxx> said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

I have tried crate training. I feel that I can't do it
because he literally urinates all over himself, and
needs baths throughout the day.

What is your understanding of crate training?

I'll tell you mine. With a puppy, a crate is a place to leave
a puppy for a couple of minutes - you happily take him
directly out of it to the outside to pee and poo. If he does,
it's time for a party. If he doesn't, it's back into the
crate for a couple of minutes, then some play, and then back
outside.

Initially, crates are good for safety, perceived security by
the dog, short-term supervision when you can't directly
supervise, and as part of an acclimation process to a brand
new and scary home. Later, they're good for safe car travel,
overnights at the vet, and airplane transportation.

Let it be known that the maximum amount of time
I left my puppy in the crate was 30 minutes, and 1
hour throughout the night.

Only one hour at night? That's good - night time is the best
time to let a dog get used to his new home, though I'd do this
after he's used to his crate.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!

matty wrote:

"I crate Rocky, even though he's 8.5 years old, but only when
I'm gone during summertime days - maybe an hour at the most.
(Other than hot days, my dogs are always with me.)

While Friday has been totally reliable unsupervised from the
day I got him from a rescue, Rocky has not. Rocky will go
looking for food even in areas where there's no possibility of
food.

The good thing is that he likes his crate, runs for
it when I ask, and gets food when he's in it.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

Subject: "Read any good books, lately?"
From: Rocky
Date: Tues, Apr 4 2000 12:00 am

Interesting. In the past, Rocky has enjoyed the
classics, most notably a 150 year old leather-bound
edition of the "Count of Monte Cristo".

It was slow going at first, but once he
got into it he couldn't put it down.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!

Re: Crate training questions...

"Rocky" <2...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
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Robin Nuttall <robi...@xxxxxxxxx> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

One day you may do better than your poor three week
benchbark. Keep at it, keep learning, and keep an open
mind.

It really does depend on the dog. I've housebroken dogs
in 1-2 weeks; Zipper took 4 months of hard slog. A lot of
it is being organized and hyper aware of the dog at all times.

I agree. I thought that the post I was responding to was
somewhat condescending, so I did the same. I should have
stopped my reply after the first paragraph.

Still, I think that Antares should keep an open mind
towards crates. Heck, we still haven't gotten into all
their other wonderful uses.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

Re: Crate training questions...

"Rocky" <2...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:Fri98A6C2785B8CBaustralianshepherdca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Janet B <j...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:

Given the total freedom of the house and total access
to me, my dogs slept all day, sometimes in their crates.
Oh yeah, crating them during the day is so cruel!

Why, it forces them to, um, do what they were doing anyway?

And they got up and stretched, looked out the window,
etc, and then went back to sleeping, right?

Uncrated, my crated dog may have done all those things.
Balance missing those activities vs. the resulting lack of
distruction (and potential danger) and all of the activities
we did outside of Monday to Friday 8 to 5.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

"Rocky" <3d...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:Fri9A55D1784C43Daustralianshepherdca@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx

"cshenk" <cshe...@xxxxxxx> said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior: "montana
wildhack" wrote
You may want to move the crate into your bedroom.
Being "near" and "next to" are very different things.

Actually I would if I could, but there isnt room.

Make room, even if the dresser or a side table has to
go away for a while. This is an important bonding time.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

BWEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAAA!!!

HOWEDY matty,

Rocky wrote:
Simon said in rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
I have two dogs and my English Setter has been
eating feces, both his own as well as my other dog's
feces. On walks, he will eat other dog's feces as well.

This is very common.

Yeah. It's a NEUROTIC behavior LEARNED from bein
LOCKED IN A CRATE or PUNISHED for shittin in the
HOWES, matty.

All I can suggest is the following:

Your own dog GOT THE SAME PROBLEM, REMEMBER matty?

Immediately pick up the poo in the areas
over which you have control.

You mean, INSTEAD of just TRAINING the dog NOT TO EAT
***, in a couple moments of using non physical praise, matty?

On walks, keep him on a leash and pay attention.

THAT NEVER WORKS, matty.

Try a different food.

THAT'S INSANE, matty.

For what it's worth,

"What it's WORTH" is YOU GOT NO ADVICE.

Your own DEATHLY ILL DOG Rocky GOT THE SAME
PROBLEM on accHOWENT of you ABUSE him, matty.

"What it's WORTH" are DEATHLY ILL and DEAD DOGS, matty.

no matter the reason he started eating poo,

You got NO METHOD to TRAIN the dog NOT TO DO IT, matty.

he now likes it and it's become a habit you have to break.

You got any TRAININ suggestions, matty?

You probably won't have to keep him on leash forever,

You think the dog will FORGET to eat poo when IT can't be
forced and jerked and choked not to do that someMOORE?

just until you've taught a good recall or a good "leave it."

HOWE is THAT gonna TRAIN the dog NOT TO EAT ***, matty?

My Rocky was/is a poo eater,

SHAAAZZZAAAMMM?

though now only when it's winter frozen or sun dried -

BWEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

both are avoidable situations.

HOWE, matty?

HOWE do you AVOID FROZEN / DRIED ***, matty?

As to watching your Setter on a 24/7 basis, of
course that's not possible in most situations,

So you LOCK THE DOG IN A BOX, matty.

but your *care* should be 24/7.

That so?

That is, when he's not supervised, he should be
in a situation where he can't do what you don't
want him to do.

BWEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAHAHAHHAHAAAA!!!

--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.
"Marshall Dermer" <der...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote in message
news:e55s2t$40t$1@xxxxxxxxxx

Amen Brother Matt!! :-)

--Marshall

So, guess what troll, you may have inadvertantly
helped someone for a change, despite your best efforts.

Yeah. Sometimes that can't be heelped, like EATIN POOP
and masturbating on your couch pillows, warta.matt:

From: Marshall Dermer
Date: Tues, Dec 21 1999 12:00 am
Email: der...@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx (Marshall Dermer)
In article <tfR74.1$W64....@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
"Jerry Howe"

<j...@xxxxxxxxxx> writes:
Lemme aks you sumthin, doc? When you punish
your dog, do you find that he masturbates more
frequently after such instances? (referring to your
post about your dog using a pillow to get himself off)

First, I punish behavior, not dogs.

Second, I rarely issue corrections.

Third, as time goes on my dog uses the pillow less frequently.
I would say he uses it about once a month. Finally, I'm not really
concerned about my dog's masturbating; I don't find such dog
behavior offensive.

Eating dog poop, for me, is another story.

And the rate of that behavior has
also diminished with time. :-)

--Marshall

Here's FIVE cases of COPROPHAGIA
CURED NEARLY INSTANTLY simply by DOIN EVERYTHING
EXXXACTLY PRECISELY OPPOSITE of HOWE you pathetic
miserable stinkin lyin animal murderin MENTAL CASES PREFER.

<SNIP CASE HISTORIES>

From: Rocky (mbon...@xxxxxxxxxx)
Subject: Re: Leg Humper
Date: 1999/09/14
Bioso...@xxxxxxx (Jerry Howe) wrote in
<37D698CF.405B0...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>:

> By "sticking your knee up," I can only presume
> that you are suggesting that the people knee the
> dog in the chest. If that's what you meant, just
> say it, instead of beating around the bush to avoid
> criticism from people like me. That kind of crap has
> got to stop, and that's why I'm here, to help wean
> you guys off of the abuse and into the proper methods
> of dealing with behavior problems.

Jerry, I was appreciating your explanation
up until this last paragraph.

Why did you blow it?

--Matt

"dallygirl" <kwickw...@xxxxxxxxxxx> said in
rec.pets.dogs.behavior:
> choke chains are outdated and barbaric in many
>cases causing more harm than good.

Back at you with flat buckle collars. These are an
incredibly abused training tool, what with the number
of handlers I see pulling back and jerking on the leash
with both hands.

It's a good thing that most of us are here because of
dogs' well-being and not an agenda.
--
--Matt. Rocky's a Dog.

=============

BWEEEEAHAHAHHAAA~!~!~!

HOWE COME would matty set his INFORMATIVE POSTS
to EXXXPIRE in six days? Is he EMBARRASSED by his own
words, that lyin animal abusin punk thug coward mental case
fraud an SCAM ARTIST?

matty aka Rocky EXXXPLAINS HOWE COME:

"Rocky" <2d...@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
For reasons I'll only explain privately, I've gone no
archive, and it's a shame. Once in a while, while
looking for something else, I'll run into an old post
of mine.

What an idiotic response!

Whoops.

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BWEEEAAAHAHAAAHAAHAAA!~!~!

"Granted That The Dog Who Fears Retribution
Will Adore His Owner," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER"
lynn.

lyinglynn writes to a new foster care giver:
For barking in the crate - leave the leash on and
pass it through the crate door. Attach a line to
it. When he barks, use the line for a correction.-
if necessary, go to a citronella bark collar," Lynn K.

"Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.
<except when it is>

"Unfortunately, some confrontation is necessary,
just to be able to handle the dogs. For example,
we need to crate train a dog immediately because
they are usually in need of medical care and they
are in foster homes with other dogs. It's a safety
necessity," lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

"Training is not confrontation,"Lynn K.

<except when it is>

"So what? Whoever said that it's right to
always not confront? We sure can try, but
a dog who knows a command and growls when
given it is certainly being confrontational".
You can't simply walk away and pretend it
didn't happen or leave it for later work in
every situation." Lynn K.

--------------------

"I used to work the Kill Room as a volunteer in
one shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.

----------------

"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.

Should I have refused to groom them?

Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."

Lynn K.

----------------

"You Lying Sack Of Dung.When Have I Ever Said
Anything About Using A Prong Collar, Or Any Collar
Correction At All, To Make Dogs Friendly To House
Cats? Don't bother. The answer is never," lying "I
LOVE KOEHLER" lynn.

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn writes about kats and dogs:

"This Article Is Something We've Put Together
For SF GSD Rescue

From: Lynn Kosmakos (lkosma...@xxxxxxxx)
Subject: Re: I have a dog he has cats
Date: 1999/11/20

ginge...@xxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
How can I get him to quit chasing the cats.

Okay - this is going to be a bit loooong - Lynn K.

"Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog. Don't
forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong works
better than a choke with less chance of injury to the dog in
this situation.

Electronics can be used to create an aversion to cats, but
should be used under the direction of a trainer who knows how
to instruct the owner in their proper use. Electronics can
take the form of shock, sonic or citronella collars. At that
time the owner will train with electronics instead of food or
whatever other reward system was being used."

8) Put a prong collar with a six-foot leash on the dog.
Don't forget to put the muzzle on the dog. I think a prong
works better than a choke with less chance of injury to the
dog in this situation. Have the dog in a sit-stay next to
you with most of the slack out of the leash and let the cat
walk through the room and up to the dog if it wishes (this is
why you have the dog muzzled).

If the dog makes an aggressive move towards the
cat, it must be corrected strongly with both your
voice and the collar.

This is important - the correction must be physically
very strong - not a nag. (PS: not many dogs need
to be corrected at all)."

lying "I LOVE KOEHLER" lynn CONtinues:

"My last paying "job" was as Exec. Dir.
of the local Humane Society, I used to
work the Kill Room as a volunteer in one
shelter.) But their ability to set their own
schedules and duties causes a great deal of
scheduling overhead.

And it takes effort and thought to ensure that
volunteers get the meaningful experience that
they work for.

Someone has to be responsible for that
Volunteer Program, and it is best done
by a non-volunteer."

Lynn K.

"I worked with one shelter where I bathed and groomed
every adoptable dog on intake. I frankly felt that the
effort/benefit equation was not balanced for some of the
older/ill poodle/terrier mixes we got in badly matted condition.

Should I have refused to groom them?

Or even more pertinent - I was one of the people who
had to make the euthanasia decisions at that shelter."

Lynn K.

Baghdad Bob <Baghdadbob> wrote in message
<news:04591a2c5d469ef78d35c89ed4ed58f7@TeraNews>...

Lynn, looks like he got you there if these
quotes are true.

In the posts below you take responsibility for
making those calls.

In your post above, you state you do not
make those calls.

Which one is it?

-----------------------------

WORDS OF WISDOM
From Our Own Lynn Kosmakos
1200mg Of Lithium And 50 mg Of Zoloft
EVERY DAY
For Twenty Years

I THINK I'M QUALIFIED TO TALK ABOUT LITHIUM

"I, too, have a bi-polar mood disorder (manic-
depression) requiring 1200mg of lithium and 50
mg of Zoloft every day.

I, also, care about dogs and use this forum to
learn more, while happily sharing pertinent
information I have learned. But if I were ever
to post such sh*t, I would hope that every other
reader of this group would be rightfully outraged."

"Community is an evolutionary thing that we
earn the right to participate in by observing
the easily understood rules and contributing
to in constructive ways."

Lynn K.

------------------------

BWEEEAAAHAHAHAHAAAA~!~!~!

Are you beginin to see a common theme here??

EVERY POSTER HERE IS A DOG ABUSER AND / OR
MENTAL CASE.

AND IF THEY DENY IT THEY'RE A LIAR

ON ACCHOWENTA I GOT IT ALL INDELLIBLY ARCHIVED
IN THEIR OWN WRITTEN WORDS



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