Re: Need a webpage on pitbulls & breed bans

On Tue, 31 Jul 2007 12:20:35 -0500, diddy <none> wrote:

"the.longest.username.available@xxxxxxxxx"

Unless I'm mistaken, those opposed to BSL are also opposed to all
other forms of bad legislation governing dog ownership as well. I
know I am. The key is there is a correct way to solve the problems
with dog related injuries, and there is an incorrect way. BSL is a
wrong way, just as "Broad sweeping very bad laws against ALL dogs/
owners/breeders" are the wrong way.

Nick

I agree, but Pit bull owners try to enlist ALL dog owners to protect
their breed riddled with misdeeds by their owners and breeders.

Define misdeeds.

In doing
so, they offer no way to reason and police the guilty and problem
makers, they simply appeal in many ways trying to save their breed, yet
offer NO way to protect the public from the evil doers.

Life is a dangerous affair. For example, thousands of children die
each year from drowning, mostly in swimming pools. Thousands more are
crippled for life, or suffer brain damage.

There's no way to fully protect the public from DANGER.

I have no idea as to whom or what you're referring to when you use the
term "evil doers."

If it's the people who irresponsibly own or breed pit bulls, why would
you expect them to help out here???

since they have successfully pooled the cavalry, but still have not
solved the reason why people are still upset, the people upset
understand racial discrimination is not a cool thing.

Neither have gun owners. How do you feel about that?

So they enact laws
against dogs in general because NO ONE has come up with a way to stop
pitbull maulings of people and other dogs.

Yes, the typical knee-jerk reaction to any perceived "problem" is to
pass more laws, especially members of the "reality-based community."

If Pit Bull people would do something more proactive to stop these
things, it would be easier to support anti-pit bull measures.

A lot of pit bull people are their breed's worst enemy. So why would
you expect them to cooperate in their own demise?

By supporting pit bulls, we are selling out our own breeds.

No, we're not. We're standing up for the dogs themselves. The dog
isn't the problem. Their owners and breeders are.

Just like guns aren't the problem; their irresponsible and criminal
*owners* are.

The irresponsible and/or criminal owners/breeders of pit bulls should
be punished, not the responsible and law-abiding pit bull owners.

Why would you want to punish, say, Elegy, along with Michael Vick?

But what people are doing is saying the Pit bull is REALLY nice.

But they *are* really nice, when bred properly, and handled properly.

Why would you even say something like that?

DON'T
touch them, while the evening news nightly provides a preponderous
evidence that the problem still continues.

About 12 people a year die from dog bites. *12.*

Well over *1000* children alone die each year from drowning.

And about 4 youths (17 and under) die each *day* due to firearms.

As a gun owner, can't you see how hollow your argument sounds to
responsible pit bull owners?

You're lost your perspective, Diddy.

If we defend the pitbull, we lose ground on the slippery slope of
credibility.

I won't try to speak for anyone else, but *I* defend the pit bull
because their dogs. Period. And magnificent ones, to boot.

Put Bull people need to police their own breed, get pitbulls that are
dangerous off the streets, out of the hands of people who are causing
the problems and help the police shut down dog fighting rings.

Then why not call for just that, instead of a ban on the breed?

I have no problem getting in the face of an irresponsible pit bull
owner/breeder, and neither should you.

Only
then, once the pitbull people have accomplished this (after all, they
want no laws against pitbulls-so they need to do this themselves) can
the public feel safe.

Pit bull people can't do this all by themselves, because a lot of the
pit bull people themselves are the *problem,* not the solution.

That is, heavily punish DOG owners, not BREEDS, for any injuries or
loss of life caused by their DOGS. Precisely like you would punish
them if those injuries were caused by those same owners' guns.

I think protecting pitbulls endangers every other breed.

And I think that not protecting DOGS from HUMANS endangers us all.

I am not opposed to banning Mossoler breeds simply because of the
magnitude of damage they are capable of and the types of people
attracted to them and I don't see any progress being done to stop any of
it.

Yeah, I hear you.

But you're wrong.

--
Handsome Jack Morrison

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