Re: OT...Democrats Care About The Health Of Americans!

On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:38:54 -0500, Michael Dobony
<survey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

On 15 Jul 2009 06:04:07 -0500, nothermark wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 22:00:54 -0700 (PDT), Billy The Kid
<billy-the-kid-lives@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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Offer? MANDATE! Those who can't afford to take up the "offer" are still
paying what they can't afford. Better to be on welfare than work. But who
cares. And don't forget all the other taxes on the poor that are being
lined up to pass.

If you cannot afford 2.5% of your salary toward your healthcare you
are a freeloading expletive deleted that I have no sympathy for. A
basic principle of insurance is everybody pays for something they hope
they don't need.



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The House bill seemed unlikely to win broad backing in the Senate,
where the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee was
expected to finish its version of the legislation Wednesday in what
was looking to be a party-line vote. Another panel, the Senate Finance
Committee, was striving to unveil a bill by the end of the week.


Given the number of folks fallin out of insurance plans Senators who
don't support something are doing it at their peril.


Standing before a banner that read "Quality Affordable Care for the
Middle Class," Pelosi, D-Calif., called the moment "historic and
transformative." The bill would provide "stability and peace of mind"
by braking costs and guaranteeing coverage, she said.

It is not affordable if it costs trillions of $$$$ more than the already
mind-boggling increases already proposed by Mr. Super-ego.

It will only add to the cost if the private insurers are allowd to
keep the gains they will get for no longer paying inflated bills to
cover the cost of treating the uninsured.




"We are going to accomplish what many people felt wouldn't happen in
our lifetime," said House Energy and Commerce Committee Chairman Henry
Waxman, D-Calif., one of the main sponsors. Obama, who issued a
statement hailing the measure, plans to keep up the pressure on
Congress by delivering remarks in the Rose Garden on Wednesday.


We too will be able to enjoy waiting 6 months for emergency procedures,
just like the other socialized medicine counties.

Mindless BS with no rational basis unless you expect a significant
number of providers to disappear.


Speaking in Warren, Mich., where he was promoting new spending for
community colleges, Obama anticipated a congressional confrontation
over health care.

"There's going to be a major debate over the next three weeks," he
said, deviating from his prepared text. "And don't be fooled by folks
trying to scare you saying we can't change the health care system.We
have no choice but to change the health care system because right now
it's broken for too many Americans."

Separately, Obama spoke by telephone with Sen. Charles Grassley, the
Iowa Republican viewed as critical to the fate of bipartisan
negotiations in the Senate.

House Democrats said the income tax increase in their bill would apply
only to the top 1.2 percent of households, those who earn about one-
quarter of all income. The wealthiest 4 percent of small business
owners would be among them. The tax would start at 1 percent for
couples making $350,000 and individuals earning $280,000, ramp up to
1.5 percent above $500,000 of income, and jump to 5.4 percent for
those earning above $1 million.

The tax would raise an estimated $544 billion over 10 years.

Business groups and the insurance industry immediately assailed the
legislation. In a letter to lawmakers, major business organizations
branded the 1,000-page bill a job-killer. Its coverage mandate would
automatically raise the cost of hiring a new worker, they said.

"Exempting some micro-businesses will not prevent this provision from
killing many jobs," the letter said. "Congress should allow market
forces and employer autonomy to determine what benefits employers
provide, rather than deciding by fiat."

In other words don't try to stop us from screwing our workers.


The business groups also warned that the U.S. health care system could
be damaged by adding a government-run insurance plan and a federal
council that would make some decisions on benefits, as called for in
the legislation. Thirty-one organizations signed the letter, including
the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, the Business Roundtable representing top
corporate CEOs and the National Retail Federation.

See above. Critical services will be rationed.

Why? The Medical infrastructure will disappear?



The House bill would change the way individuals and many employers get
health insurance. It would set up a new national purchasing pool,
called an exchange. The exchange would offer a menu of plans, with
different levels of coverage. A government plan would be among the
options, and the exchange would eventually be open to most employers.
Insurers say that combination would drive many of them out of business
since the public plan would be able to offer lower premiums to
virtually all Americans.

But backers of a public plan ? including Obama ? say it would provide
healthy competition for the insurance industry.

Anybody who believe that deserves to wait 18 months to find out they have 2
months to live.

More drivel.



Under the House bill, the government would provide subsidies to make
coverage more affordable for households with incomes up to four times
the federal poverty level, or $88,000 for a family of four and $43,000
for an individual. Medicaid ? the federal-state health program for the
poor ? would be expanded to individuals and families up to 133 percent
of the poverty line. About 17 million people would remain uninsured ?
about 6 percent of the population ? and half of them would be illegal
immigrants.



The legislation also would improve the Medicare prescription drug
benefit by gradually reducing a coverage gap known as the 'doughnut
hole.'

The individual and employer coverage requirements would raise about
$192 billion over 10 years, the Congressional Budget Office said.

Even before the bill was unveiled, the House Ways and Means Committee
announced it would vote on the proposal beginning on Thursday. The
panel is one of three that must act before the bill can go to the full
House, probably later in the month.

Some House Democrats privately have expressed concern that they will
be required to vote on higher taxes, only to learn later that the
Senate does not intend to follow through with legislation of its own.
That would leave rank-and-file House Democrats up for re-election next
year in the uncomfortable position of having to explain their vote on
a costly bill that never reached Obama's desk or became law.

Too bad they pnly have it half right and half done.

If it passes the Dumbocrats will have to explain why the economy is in the
toilet.

No, they will have to explain that anyway. The problem is that they
are at least half right when they blame it on the Republicans. Both
parties have focused on screwing the economy and the productive worker
for quite some time now.
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