Re: Star Trek [OT]

On Sun, 17 May 2009 16:18:00 -0500, "John A. Weeks III"
<john@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

In article <epq01519pco48ugpedjr99vktnq70c8tut@xxxxxxx>,
Bob Giddings <bobgiddings0@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Given that a Star Trek movie was going to be made, what choices
did they have? We watched the crew grow old in the first movies.
The only choices were to die, be mocked, or be reborn. I think
they did a pretty good job at rebirth.

I don't think anyone disputes that it was good to revisit the
early days of Spock and Kirk. The problem is that they didn't
follow any of the history that was layed out in TOS, and later
cannonized

Cannonized? Precisely. The old canon has been cannonized - as
in destroyed - but not all of it. The characters are the same.
The universe is much the same. A single world is destroyed, a
few relatives slaughtered, but the basic universe remains the
same, freed at last from slavish adherence to the minute detail
of former history.

Hey, the only way you can be reborn is to die. Frankly, it was
about time. :o)

in the writers manual and followed in TNG and the
movies. How do they explain killing off Spock's mom when she
shows up in TOS several years later? Or how does Spock go back
to Vulcan to be rejoined with his mind that Bones was carrying
in ST:3? Or that Spock served for many years on the Enterprise
and was not a simulator instructor at the Academy? Or that the
bridge of the Enterprise looks more like a video game than the
ship in TOS? And how to they explain that no humans saw a
Romulan until the episode Balance of Terror (remember, the treaty
that ended the war and established the neutral zone was negotiated
over subspace radio and not in person), yet Romulans show up
here? And what is the story with the water pipes? The pipe
that Scotty was trapped in was 3 feet in diameter and at least
100 fee long, but when Kirk opened the hatch, only a bucket full
of water ended up on the floor. The whole compartment should
have been flooded in about 3 seconds when that hatch was opened.
And how does Kirk, who wasn't even part of the crew, get to be
first officer? Didn't they have any other officers on the
Enterprise or a formal chain of command? The whole thing was
so bogus that it was insulting.

-john-


You still don't get it.

It is an alternate history. That whole history you mentioned
never happened, because the Romulans went back in history and
destroyed Vulcan. And kill Kirk's father.

It's a whole new ball game. Kirk's dad dies as he his born.
Spock's mom dies with Vulcan. And yet they are the same
characters, reacting to each other and forging the same bonds, in
a slightly different universe, still boldly going where no man
has gone before.

Let go. This is not your old Star Trek. And yet it is. That's
rebirth.

As for the pipe, it was not full. As for Kirk's captaincy, it is
apparently due to the laying on of hands by the former captain, a
friend of his father - which is admittedly a stretch, as that is
not usually how organizations work, though there is precedent for
high leaders picking their own successors - and out of the new
fleet only Enterprise survives.

These last two things are legitimate complaints. But when it
comes to "Star Trek History", that has been rewritten by time
travel. And it is a legitimate scifi device. It is only your
reaction to it that is bogus.

Bob
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