Re: Gun carry in National Parks

On Mon, 24 Nov 2008 19:40:24 GMT, ratatouillerat@xxxxxxxxx wrote:

On Sun, 23 Nov 2008 19:12:27 -0800, DonLampson@xxxxxxxxx (Don Lampson)
wrote:

<lampson idiocy deleted. Still unbelievable what guys like him will write>


I believe we'll find that hunting with the dogs and a long gun or bow
was legal, but the hand gun was not.

You are correct Pete. Everywhere except the Tellico Ranger District's
wildlife Management Area ALLOWS hunting boar with handguns. The TWRA hunting
regulation handbook is available as a PDF for anyone interested in actual
facts, something that excludes Lampson.

Like everyone else who hunts hogs, this guy was carrying concealed AND had a
long rifle (in this instance, an inline black powder rifle.) I carried a
revolver (Colt Python .357) when I hog hunted a few decades ago. So did my
brother. His "long gun" was a barely legal sawed off 12 gauge because he liked
the thrill of jumping on the hog's back and either banging him with the
shotgun or slitting his throat with a knife. He (Eben DeArmond) holds the
record kill weight by ANY means of a hog in this area at 450 lbs. He killed
it with a knife.

Ironically, the rangers will not say anything about a concealed handgun when
doing license checks as long as the hunter has a long gun and is obviously not
using the hand gun for hunting. Even the rangers have some common sense most
of the time. How do I know that? BTDT plus I talk to the rangers.

Now, anyone who's been in the woods for a millisecond or two knows that when
one wades into a meelee to get his dogs off the hog, he's not going to hang on
to the long gun with one hand and try to grab the dogs with the other. He's
not going to fire in there either and risk hitting a dog. The dogs are worth
a LOT more than the gun so the gun gets tossed aside and the owner wades in
with both hands, usually as do his buddies.

99.9% of the time, when the dogs are grabbed and yanked off, the hog turns and
runs. About 0.1% of the time the hog turns and attacks the humans. That's
where the hand gun comes into play, especially if the guy's partners can't get
clean safe shots. In this case they couldn't.

The doc got his piece out with one hand while he was fighting the hog with the
other (and his feet and everything else he had to throw at the hog). One hand
got seriously mauled and the hog filleted one rib cage fairly skillfully. I
don't know the stitch count but it had to be in the hundreds.

This guy will probably win because:

- He had a legal concealed carry permit

- He used the weapon to save his life

- There is no technical or logical basis for the ban on hand guns in this one
area. It's a regulation and not a law and regulations have to have articuable
(if sometimes fanciful) bases.

- According to what I heard today, the rule was originally passed to get at a
certain F&WL (now TWRA) board member by others on the board. This dates from
the 70s. I know the people involved and they did hate each other. Apparently
there were some fairly hostile words caught by the court reporter. Hardly an
articuable logical basis for the regulation.

- The guy has enough money to carry this through.

- he's pissed enough to carry it through. Not only pissed at getting hurt but
also pissed at having to "cheat" to protect himself. A familiar feeling to
any gun person.

- He has a whole bunch of us rooting for him, including emailing every day or
two so it's going to be difficult to back out and save face even if he ever
wanted to.

I just hope that he can go beyond the FS and TWRA and make it a federal 2nd
amendment case.

Oh, and don. Learn the difference between feral hogs and Russian boar. IN TN
this year it is open season on feral hogs. NO season, no limits. The feral
hogs are the problem pests and not Russian boar which are carefully managed
and big game animals. the hunts up here, with the exception of this single 2
or 3 day open hunt, are draw hunts. That means you have to put your name in
a lottery and get drawn to be allowed to hunt.

So little knowledge, so much mouth.


John
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John De Armond
See my website for my current email address
http://www.neon-john.com
http://www.johndearmond.com <-- best little blog on the net!
Tellico Plains, Occupied TN
I like you ... you remind me of me when I was young and stupid.

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