Re: sorry bout that

In article <e_wJj.881$GO4.342@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
Leroy <MyBase-usenet@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Frank Tabor wrote:
On Fri, 4 Apr 2008 15:37:46 -0500, "Leroy" <MyBase-usenet@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
I don't know how far the cancel propagated, but dang well is not

on my news server anymore <g>

Leroy



The point is, why bother? Your server is the only one it got canceled
from. It still went out to the rest of the world. And it will stay
there for as long as the retention is on the various servers.

Wrong. *legal* cancel msgs are honored and propagated
by *compliant* news servers just as any other msg.

FALSE TO FACT ON TODAY'S INTERNET. *VERY* FEW news-servers honor cancel
messages any more. Most haven't for around a decade. A fairly notorious
dingbat, using the 'nym' of "HIPCRIME", took it upon himself to start
cancelling _everything_, when people started cancelling his garbage-post
attempts to drown a number of major newsgroups in 'noise'.

Obviously,
servers, and I use the term loosely, like GoogleGroups and other
aggregators , simply archive. But my cancelling is not for them.
I suspect that all big name servers like Prodigy honor cancels.

Sorry, you're wrong. Giganews, doesn't. Supernews didn't. Easynews doesn't.
Newsguy doesn't. Astraweb doesn't. Individual net doesn't. Usenet.com
doesn't. Meganewsservers.com doesn't. Roadrunner doesn't. AOL didn't, but
they've shut down their servers completely. I could go on. :)

Prodigy is one of the _few_ that do honor cancel messages. And, I believe they
honor cancels *only* from their own customers, for messages that _that_
customer originated..

Note: as I write this, your message which you claim to have cancelled -- and
verified that it is gone -- is still on the 'corp.supernews.com' (operated by
GigaNews) server.

Shucks, I'll be that a large number of rort readers get their
news from Prodigy or other top line companies.

Other top-line companies, "yes".

Ones that process cancel messages, "no".

SBC's server is just one of thousands of Usenet servers around the
world. Once a cancel hits a server that won't accept it, it dies and
won't get propagated.

"Not exactly." Most of the major news providers _do_ "pass along" cancel
messages to their news 'peers'. If one wants to see what kind of cancel
traffic reaches -your- news-server, look in the newsgroup "control.cancel".


At the very least, when I cancel a msg, I know that I, and likely
quite a few rort folks won't have to view my screwup even once <g>

ONLY a few, and a _very_ few, in fact. Easily shown by sampling Path
headers. <wry grin>


Note to Leroy: RFC 1036 has been "functionally obsolete" for close to 15
years. There were a couple of attempts to re-write it to more current
real-world conditions -- googling for "1036bis" and/or "son of 1036" should
provide references -- _Both_ were regarded as pretty much outdated by the
time they got to paper form, and neither got enough support to make it to
the formal submission stage.


"Hipcrime" and his descendants/followers _still_ issue blasts of cancels
and other kinds of disruptive messages -- one of the more common attempts
was referred to as a 'poetry festival'. *MOST* providers are good enough
at filtering garbage that hardly anyone _sees_ any of their attempts, unless
one has access to raw server logs and statistics.



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