Re: 12-Year Old Who Needs To Be Taught A Lesson

Jenny6833A wrote:
On Oct 15, 8:27 am, Lone Haranguer <lin...@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Linus. If the U.S. were faced with a similar emergency we'd falter also
so what's your "point".
Wrong. We cope with heat wave emergencies every year.

In a country where high temperatures are common, one would expect we'd
do better. Yet, as the Chicago/Milwaukee heat wave proved, we don't
always do so.

Where is your confirming article? Are Chicago/Milwaukee areas where high temperatures are common? Both are next to the moderating influence of Lake Michigan.

The entire
French health care system went on vacation in August and as a result, a
whole lot of people died. Vacations take priority in France.

Linus has his facts wrong, as usual. The problem wasn't lack of
medical personnel,

As usual, Linus is right and you are lying.

(CBS/AP) The death toll in France from August's blistering heat wave has reached nearly 15,000, according to a government-commissioned report released Thursday, surpassing a prior tally by more than 3,000.

A study by scientists at INSERM, the National Institute of Health and Medical Research, determined that 14,802 people had died in August.

The toll exceeds the prior government count of 11,435, a figure that was based only on deaths in the first two weeks of the month.

The country's largest undertaker had said earlier this month it thought the death toll was closer to 15,000 than the government was admitting.

The government's new estimate includes deaths from the second half of August, after the record-breaking temperatures of the first half of the month had abated.

The new estimate comes a day after the French Parliament released a harshly worded report blaming the deaths on a complex health system, widespread failure among agencies and health services to coordinate efforts, and chronically insufficient care for the elderly.

Earlier this month, the government commission recommended better coordination between health bodies in the future, reports CBS News Correspondent Elaine Cobbe, saying thousands of lives could have been saved if the alarm had been raised sooner.
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But most of the top health officials were on vacation, and the government report says that also partly explains why the alarm wasn't raised sooner.
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Local authorities in Paris are now reviewing plans for more home visits for the elderly during holiday and vacation times, reports Cobbe.

The heat wave swept across much of Europe, but the death toll was far higher in France than in any other country.

Health Minister Jean-Francois Mattei has ordered a separate special study this month to look into a possible link with vacation schedules after doctors strongly denied allegations their absence put the elderly in danger. The heat wave hit during the August vacation period, when doctors, hospital staff and many others take leave. The results of that study are expected in November.

The role of vacations is a touchy subject. The National General Practitioners Union says that only about 20 percent of general practitioners were away during the heat wave.

it was finding the at-risk elderly in the maze of
unairconditioned, top floor, right under the roof, appartements in
Paris. That had nothing to do with the French medical system.

See above.

Incidentally, that was the problem in Chicago as well.

People on welfare always depending on government to do their thinking for them.

If you have some details of the faults in the French health system

It's in France and run by the French. Two major drawbacks.

Rebuttal by appeal to bigotry. Another of Linus' common tactics.

Ho hum! France is what it is because the French live there. How can one argue with that fact? Works of art are to their credit but they get credit for their failures too. Their behavior under the Vichy government was craven and disgusting.

Do YOU go to France for your health care? People come from all over the
world to be treated at Minnesota's Mayo clinic. Which facility in
France has an equal reputation.

None are as posh as Mayo and other American showcase facilities,
that's for sure. Remember, I spoke of cutting unnecessary costs and
concentrating on quality. In France, if you want a hospital with all
the attributes of a super-fancy hotel, you have to go to a private
clinic/hospital.

Come to think of it, that's what Mayo is.

Bull. I can tell you've never been there. It's a mass production facility where they treat as many patients as possible in a short a time as possible.

I'll concede, however, that a super rich foreigner can get as good
treatment here as in France.

Sounds like you have to be super rich if you are a foreigner in France too.

"But in September 2007, this all changed. At the same time she was
diagnosed with bowel cancer, the French government announced that in
accordance with EU law, it would no longer allow early retirees from
other EU countries to have access to the French healthcare system.
Instead, they would have to take out private health insurance. Plus the
legislation is to be retrospective so the rules apply to early retirees
already living France."

"For Pat, 54, and Tony, 57, the news from the French government has been
as devastating as her medical diagnosis. 'It's a double whammy that has
shattered our lives,' she says. Pat has a pre-existing medical condition
so not only will private health insurance premiums be extraordinarily
and prohibitively expensive, chances are no insurance company will
accept her anyway because even with high premiums the cost of her
treatment is likely to be greater that what she pays in. This means that
if she stays in France Pat will have to fund the entire cost of her
treatment herself - which is impossible."

Just like in the US of A. So?

So you aren't keeping up with the facts.

Is Linus really saying that a national health care system should take
on everyone who happens to be in the country? Does Medicare?

France is part of the EU which is SUPPOSED to treat citizens of other countries in the EU as equals.

Linus also specializes in rebuttal by irelevance.

It's relevant.. You are just ignorant of the facts.

I've spent time in France. Hygiene is not one of their strong points.

Oh? Then why is the infection rate in French hospitals so much lower
than in American hospitals?

Prove that it is. Are we going to rely on their government statistics?

Linus also loves to attempt rebuttal by falsity.

That is your gig. I proved you lied about the vacation situation so your entire tale is suspect.

Neither is efficiency.

Oh? Then why do they have the best health care in the world at a
substantially lower cost per person?

By letting those die that might cost them money to care for?

"The new estimate comes a day after the French Parliament released a harshly worded report blaming the deaths on a complex health system, widespread failure among agencies and health services to coordinate efforts, and chronically insufficient care for the elderly."

Sounds like you should have a chat with the French Parliament and tell them you know more than they do. :)
LZ

:-)

Jenny

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