Re: OT who said this ?

Lone Haranguer wrote:

Robert Allison wrote:

"Most" of whom are engaged in killing other Iraqis, NOT
Americans.

The dots are already touching, I can't put them closer
together.



And americans and british until just recently when the british
have all but pulled completely out of there.



Yahbut MOST of their targets have been other Iraqis. Try dealing with
the facts for once.


And americans and british.


Not MOST, dummkopf. The lefties are claiming 600,000 dead Iraqis, so
OBVIOUSLY most of the casualties have been Iraqis.

Sheesh. You're denser than plutonium.

Along with some americans and british.


Not Bin Laden. He was used to a life of luxury and what good is wealth
if you can't indulge in your favorite hobbies? His relatives and
friends came to visit and a hunting party was arranged.

It's a fact. We have satellite photos to prove it, numbnuts.


And then back into the caves. To live with the goats and plan the attack on the world trade center.


Actually someone else did the planning and he approved it. He was
greatly surprised that it was so successful.

Probably because of his engineering degree, he had a bit to do with the planning. While living in caves, the same as he is now.

Did you tell them you used to work for Brown & Root (a Halliburton
subsidiary) when you were discussing how Halliburton is hogging all
the jobs in Iraq?


Brown and Root was not a Halliburton subsidiary when I worked for them, but so what? Even if they were, what difference does that make? Check the facts on Brown & Root in the 70s.


Yahbut they are military contractors in Iraq and also had contracts in
Kuwait, Bosnia and Kosovo during the 90s. Why are you now dissing them?

Because even when they were not a part of Halliburton, they were wasteful and inefficient.


So you weren't on McArthurs planning staff. I did not think that you were. So we have the same amount of experience in that area, and I am better at it than you because I am not biased and I am smarter than you.


You were on the planning staff for your kid's birthday party and that is
the most experience you've had. At least I got to participate in many
NATO exercises and furnish the weather support. To do that I had to
know the mission so I got to see the major mission plan.

I get to see many mission plans, too. Just after the fact. See how similar our education on missions is?

I can learn a vocabulary in just a short while. If I needed them.


Not before you were laughed out of the room. You have no credentials so
couldn't even get near the building.

Give up this Walter Mitty fantasy about being a planning genius for the
military. I can only stand so much laughter in any one day.

I am a planning strategist for myself, not the military. If I were, things would be better for the war in Iraq.


They didn't laugh at you for suggesting that nearby Islamic countries
have an interest in helping us pacify Iraq?


A sargeant said these exact words: "We ought to let their Islamic brothers help them fix their country."


Wishful thinking.

Yeah, the unspoken part of his statement was that that would never happen while Bush is in office.

I took that to mean that their

neighbors should be helping them.


Wishful thinking.

Yeah, at least while Bush is in office.

Most of the soldiers that come back

are not nearly as jaded as you are, LZ.


The wishful thinking in Korea was that we nuke Pyonyang (after 24 hour
notice so the civilians could leave) and end the war. The stagnant
front cost us thousands upon thousands of casualties. We gained nothing
from it but lost plenty.

You may have noticed that neither HST or Ike paid any attention to all
the planners at our base who had a front row seat to the war.

Yeah, starting a nuclear war would have been a GOOD idea.


Conspiracy theories don't exist in what I've posted. That's just your
cover for avoiding a topic you know nothing about.


You can argue that all day long, and I will not believe it. When I hear your theories, I immediatly know that they are conspiracy theories.


I posted no theories. Just official information of the event and its
aftermath.

All to try and support your conspiracy theories.


Do you feel less safe? I feel a lot safer now that Clinton/Reno and the
Gestapo has been given the boot.


I feel much less safe. The world is a less safe place for americans after Bushs policies.


Really? Then explain why the State Department can't keep up with all
those requesting passports.

Because they changed the law so that if you want to cross the border to go to the market in Matamoros, you need to have a passport. Since, literally thousands of people that never needed passports before now need them, it has caused a huge backlog for requests. The gov't. has postponed implementation and adjusted the rules because of it.

Gotcha again, dumbass.

Got yourself, oh ignorant one.

Here is some news bulletins about American safety during the Clinton
years. The American press never printed these.

Anti-U.S. Protests in Afghanistan
10 December 1999

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) - Thousands of demonstrators in southern
Afghanistan attacked United Nations offices with stones and bricks
today, burning U.S. flags and effigies of President Clinton to protest
U.N. sanctions due to begin next week.
*************************
Anti-US Riot Erupts As Clinton Visits Greece

ATHENS, Greece (AP) - President Clinton arrived in Greece Friday while
thousands of people protesting against his visit clashed with police in
the capital.

Witnesses said hundreds of police in gas masks and anti-riot gear tried
to stop protesters marching to the U.S. embassy. They fired tear gas as
the crowds surged through police lines.

Clinton landed at Athens international airport after spending five days
in Turkey. He will stay less than 24 hours in Greece, cutting his visit
short because of the protests prompted by widespread Greek opposition to
the U.S.-led bombing campaign against Yugoslavia earlier this year.
*********************
Anti-Clinton Protesters Face Jail in Turkey

ANKARA, Turkey (AP) - A Turkish court charged 113 leftists with
illegally protesting against President Clinton -- a charge carrying up
to three years jail -- during his current visit.

Television pictures on Monday showed riot police beating the
demonstrators and forcing them onto buses. Clinton was meanwhile telling
the Turkish parliament he wanted to see greater freedom of speech and
respect for human rights in Turkey.
*************
I guess they weren't listening. :)

Why don't you take a trip over to any Islamic country right now. Ask the state dept. for their guidelines on travel.


More than you. I like to compare current events to historic facts. You
don't, because you don't know anything about history and DELIBERATELY
avoid learning.


No, you like to blame Clinton for everything. You cannot mention a topic without it devolving into, not a discussion of the topic, by why what Clinton did was worse. So you do NOT discuss the topic at hand, but why Clinton was horrible.


Well, he WAS horrible. Still is. So is the partner in crime, Hillary.

Which is all you want to talk about. I don't. I want to talk about the topic at hand.

I prefer to discuss the topic at hand.


So you kept quiet while Clinton bombed the Serbs?

375

That's relevant? Or an attempted early smear? How many would Gigolo
Kerry have had?


It is as relevant as your comment about Hillary. The question was: How much have the republicans raised in their political
campaigns thus far? 50% of what the democrats have
raised?


Is this an election or a fund raising contest?

OK, I will answer the question for you since it is so difficult. Your side is at about 50% in fundraising in comparison to the democrats.

Keep telling yourself that fantasy. I enjoyed reading how stupid you
were when you poisoned yourself while cutting zinc pipe.

BAWAHAHAHAHAHA! Did that get you fired?


Much, much smarter than you. As exemplified by what you were able to glean from that post. Intelligent people would have understood the true meaning. Instead, you totally misunderstand. On that particular job, I became a foreman shortly after that.


Obviously they thought you would cause fewer accidents that way.

"Kicked upstairs" is the German term. Hitler did that to his most
incompetent generals, ya know. Or maybe not.

I wasn't working for germans and I was promoted due to my knowledge of the job.

Didn't ask for the job, they just

called me in and gave it to me. THEY easily recognized my intelligence and ability.


I bet they quickly confiscated your toolbox too.

No. Wrong again.

Read up on withdrawals, orderly.



Give us an example.


Kuwait, first gulf war.


No Al Qaeda, no insurgents and we weren't in Iraq but a few miles.

Try another one.

That one works fine for me. Just because you don't like it, doesn't mean it is not a good example of an orderly withdrawal.


Redeploy, withdrawal, all another word for retreating. Running will be
part of the withdrawal order if the Democrats give the order. Who will
be the sacrificial rear guard?


So you retreat when you win? I just go back home.


Actually you would have never gone. Playing it safe is always the
easiest way.

I suggest you keep doing that then.

The rear guard will

be the last ones that leave, whomever that may be.


What's left of them.

Yeah, shouldn't take many.

You will probably

see the cheering in the streets that Rumsfield was so looking forward to when that happens.


I thought it was Rumsfeld.

Do you plan to be there, cheering and clapping?

No, but I plan to be here cheering and clapping when our troops are back home.


I'll send a telegram to the cemetery.


From where? Do you think you are going to outlive me?


I wouldn't be the least surprised but I can always put it in my will.

Well, then you better find a different way to do it. Western Union discontinued its telegram service as of January of this year.


Those were scheduled to leave before they were even sent. Don't try
pulling that stupid *** on me.


What stupid *** are you talking about this time. I merely stated a fact. And one that I am happy to see taking place.


As I said, the 30,000 were scheduled to leave before they even arrived.
It's not a recent development.

And although it is not nearly enough, it is a good start.

When we

are down to 30,000 remaining, I will be more contented.



Who cares about your content level? Why are you pussies always worried
about your own ass?


I do. And that would be; contentedness.


Contentment.

Happiness.

And I am not worried about my

ass as much as I am about the asses of all the troops exposed to needless dangers in Iraq, and the stability of the world as a whole.


The world has never been stable and if the troops aren't in Iraq they
will be somewhere else. If the "Save Sudan" group get's its way they
will be sent to Sudan and you will think Iraq was a picnic.

They are probably needed in Darfur far more than they are needed in Iraq. But I would rather that the African Union do the work there.

Will

they all leave? I doubt it. We will always have a few
marines at the embassy.



And a large force of troops or mercenaries guarding our interests in the
oil.


It is not our oil. Bush made sure of that.


Read the oil agreements under negotiation. You are too stupid to
realize that the reason we are still there in great number is because we
haven't gotten satisfactory agreements yet. Once all the documents are
signed and sealed, we'll go into defense mode until the oil flow speeds
up and each segment gets their share of the spoils. After that we can
start packing, except for the "stabilization force".

I know about the oil agreements negotiations. Doesn't change anything.

I will declare victory if any solution stops the violence.



Why you? You have nothing to do with it. The Iraqis themselves are the
ones who will decide whether the violence will stop or continue.

If you think YOUR whining has any effect whatever, you need to see the
shrink again.


Well, you asked me. Why do you ask questions about what I think and then tell me you don't care what I think?

Your sentence "*I* will declare victory if any solution stops the
violence" shows you think you actually have some influence in events.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

The use of the first person only signifies that it is my opinion.

I

will declare success if we can leave and the violence against
the US troops ends.



Will you give Bush ALL the credit then?


Bush already said that he is not going to do that. It will be up to someone else after he leaves office. I give Bush the credit he deserves; Getting us into to an unnecessary war and then implementing it horribly. That will be his legacy.


History may have a whole different perspective.

But it won't.

As much as I am respected in this country,



Which is zero.


Which, if true, would still be way more than you are respected.


Get real. You have a criminal past lasting 16 years which has to be
covered from public view. I have no such handicap.

Even if that were true, I still get more respect than you.

the democrats don't

exactly come to an independent to get their strategy.



You're not an Independent. You're a subversive Democrat.


See how you cannot observe even a well known fact without making a mistaken judgement?


I go by the evidence.

You go by your distorted perception of the evidence.

But

they don't need me to tell them how to win. They are doing
pretty well on their own.



They don't need you for anything except maybe to patch leaks in the roof.


They turn to independents for votes, not fixing leaks in roofs. They usually use roofers for that. And they are doing pretty well with the independents so far.


Independent leftists?

All independents.


Read back through the thread.


OK, I read all of your lies again. Now what?


And found a dozen of yours and none of mine.

I found none of my statements to be lies and I found many of yours to be lies. Now what?


See above. They sure hooked you. You still believe it.


I was never trained to do that. I was trained to look at things as objectively as possible and then use the scientific method to arrive at a conclusion that concurs with the evidence. A bit different than your training.


You refused to look at the evidence so you could retain your belief in
Clinton.

I looked at all the evidence and I retain my position on Clinton.

Too bad it is of no use out here in the real world.



Worked on you. You bought it hook, line and doughball.


You must be talking to yourself, here.


Danforth stated that 66% of Americans were certain the government had
lied about Waco. That leaves you in the stupid one third who still
believe Clinton and Reno's version.

Sometimes the intelligent ones are in the minority. Otherwise, Columbus would have sailed off the edge of the earth.

Osama is not the only one, dumbass. Some of his lieutenants were also
instructed to do the same thing. It's a strategy they also followed in
Bosnia. This gives them a permanent base in many locations.


Would you say this was a strategy or a tactic on their part? And how does it help them in an area that already adheres to the Islamic principle that a visitor must be protected at all costs?


They get a lot more protection of they are married into the tribe than
if they are outsiders.

More than total protection. How do they do that?

And who

instructed the Al qaeda members to marry into the tribes that they live with? Why would anyone need to do that?


Orders from Osama.

So you HAVE read some of Osamas writings? Show me where he said any of that. Or, in lieu of that, show me the evidence of it.

You are the one that thought that their causes were separate
in Afghanistan.



Which they are. The Taliban is interested in having Pashtuns running
the country. Al Qaeda is interested in having a safe base in which to
train and operate from.


And what tribe is the leader of Afghanistan from? And why would Al qaeda need another safe place to operate from?


Because after Osama was kicked out of the Sudan, he went to Afghanistan
to set up his camps.

And your point is?

Just to run up the numbers?

I don't advise attacking anyone else in the region, especially
since it would cause the only friend we have in the area to be
summarily removed and replaced with a less friendly successor.
Who would then have nuclear weapons at his/her disposal.



Better tell those dumbass Democratic presidential candidates.


I think they know. Bush is the one that needs advice.


Wasn't it Edwards who said he would bomb Pakistan if Osama was there?

I don't know. I don't listen to campaign speeches.

Do you think that any of that is news to me? Even your
minimalist description of the situation is easily recognizable
to me. I understand that you are describing the situation
while minimizing the negative aspects to the Bush administration.



Gobbledegook...


Shall I explain it to you, oh simple minded one?


You didn't even know it until I told you.

You don't even know right now.

Frankly, I am surprised that you know even this small amount
about the Taliban and Al Qaeda. But it is encouraging to see
that you have at least read something about it even if it was
from a right slanted source. Or did you put that slant on it
yourself?

Does it conflict with the facts? Since you get all your propaganda from
the pages of Salon, you should worry about your own slant.


It does not conflict with the facts, just doesn't mention all of them, such as the fact that our military has been pulled out of Afghanistan to fight in a war to satisfy Bushs' personal vendetta instead of fighting the Al Qaeda where they were before the war in Iraq.


Afghanistan is a NATO project now. We don't want more troops there.

Why not? I thought you wanted to fight Al Qaeda?

IOW, we are

fighting them where they were and where they are now, instead of where they were to begin with.


Because they ran away to a safe haven again, dumbass.

And now they are coming back because we ran away to fight a unnecessary war against someone who was already contained and had gotten rid of all of his WMDs.

What was Hitlers biggest strategic mistake?

Trying to fight a war with two fronts.


Germany was between those two fronts, we aren't in that position.

Are you so stupid that you don't know we fought on two fronts in WWII?

We fought on three if you want to count Africa as a separate front. So you think that Hitlers decision to split up his troops was a good one? If so, why did it cost him the war?


Your kids call you Pinko Bob too? I guess they know you fairly well.


Not my children, but you know how young kids love to call people names. It is a sign of immaturity. But I don't argue with them about it. That would be silly.


Pinko Bob it is, then.

That is cute, son. Is your mommy proud of you?


Why in the world would you think that? CAP just does search and rescue and trains for that. Don't you know anything?


Oh, I know the mission of the CAP all right. They met in the same
hangar where I was stationed in St. Paul. Some of our weather flight
people were members.

I was just wondering where you think you acquired qualifications to be a
master strategic planner.

Study of the art and the history.


It should go in a way we like. However we can't control the feelings of
the Iraqis.


Well, most of the country wants the war to go away, which is probably the same for the Iraqis.


We wished that during WWII also. However FDR held out for
"Unconditional Surrender" so the war lasted years longer than it had to.
Killed millions more too. Gave Hitler time to complete his "final
solution".

And that applies to Iraq because Bush is insisting on dragging it out longer than it needs to be?

So lets start getting our troops out and let

them settle it quickly, so that it can be over with, instead of artificially prolonged by our presence.


What makes you think our presence is prolonging it? You think the
Shiites never planned to get revenge on Saddam's people after 30 years
of cruelty?

I think if we were not there, the rivalries would be settled more quickly (even if more violently) and then they would be done with. The country could move on.


Fighting a modern army was not the question. The question was whether
he was a master military strategist. He was.


For his time, he was. And he was defeated. How does that help with the war in Iraq?


Don't wander off course. You were pretending to be a greater strategist
than Napoleon which any rational person would instantly recognize as a
joke. A very big joke.

I am not pretending and I did not say that I was better than Napolean was (in his time). I am saying that I am better than you ever were and better than Bush (obviously) due to my better understanding of the people that we are fighting both against and with.


You ran out of rational ones the first day.


They only appear that way to biased, closed minded individuals.


Who base their observations on facts.

If they are based on facts, they would agree with me.

Your entire premise IS a conspiracy theory.


Which part? The autopsy reports, the trial transcripts or the
Congressional report?

The premise that the government committed crimes at Waco.


Reiteration of insult #2, or perhaps that would be
reinforcement of insult #2. No points to make or facts
represented, but a full paragraph of oft repeated insults.



So I can't laugh at your puffed up image of the master strategist?
Write your ideas to the Pentagon and see what response you get.

They may be running short of genius strategists and have to draft from
former CAP members. (chortle)


As long as the CIC is Bush, they don't have to rely on strategy. There is no workable strategy if you don't even understand the game.


Strategy comes from staff members. Bush didn't attend the War College
or any of the military schools.

You have an auditor, he has a huge staff he relies on.

Tactics to implement the overall strategy comes from the staff members. Strategy is policy. Tactics are the implementation of the policy.


Mostly run by Baathists, which are now prevented from occupying positions of authority due to the wisdom of the american policy makers.


Same policy Ike had in Germany. Patton got in trouble for failing to
observe the rule. Yet Patton was a far better strategist than Ike.

And now, there are no capable people that are ALLOWED to operate the infrastructure. Even the military has realized how idiotic that was and are in the process of changing it.

The

Iraqis do want to live, after all. They are trying to adjust
to doing it under the governmental rules that have been forced
upon them, while reacting to the social pressures that exist.



More gobbledegook. The Iraqis can't very well complain about a lack of
water or power and then refuse to work at the new facilities provided.


When the choice is death or electrical power, which would you choose?


I risked my life for people I didn't know, a patriot would certainly
risk their life for their own country and countrymen.

Unless the risk is forced on them by an army of occupation.

Another reason we should be gone.



Bush has always had the goal of being gone. You want his goals to fail.


If that is his goal, then I agree with it completely. Lets start leaving.


In due time. If we went there for the oil, we need to get those
agreements signed and sealed.

But you said that we went there for...what is the latest reason? It changes every time the previous reason is proven false.


Did you speak up when Clinton bombed the Serbs to force them to let us
occupy Kosovo?

Yes or no?


383


I take that as a no.

387

Always the same when you run out of arguments, it is back to Clinton.


Wrong again. I just point out what a hypocrite you are.

388


If it had not been for the lax policies written by the Clinton
incompetents, the passengers would have intervened in every aircraft.


Why didn't Bush do something about those, then? Oh that is right, he didn't care about terrorism.


He still had all Clinton appointees on board.
Because of the vote flap, he got almost no transition time and was still
filling positions when 9-11 happened. I think his FBI director had been
in office about a week.

And it wasn't very important on his agenda.


Because you are too stupid to have figured that out long ago.


Do you know what facetious means?


I ignored it. It's just your way to change the subject.

It is my way of pointing out how everything is Clintons fault according to you.

Why didn't Bush change all of that when he came into office?



Insufficient time. He had upped the funding on the Al Qaeda team.


But did nothing and had no interest in it.


So why did he up the funding and tell them to take more aggressive action?

So he could forget about it and go on to more pressing items like putting incompetent people in charge of every gov't. agency to prove that gov't. doesn't work.

He had the presidency and both houses of congress. Nothing to
stop him, yet he did nothing. So your hero tacitly approved.



But mostly Clinton bureaucrats were still in charge and following their
old policies. You don't weed out partisan bureaucrats in 9 months,
given that they are protected by civil service and union rules.


And of course Bush had no interest in changing anything. He did not care about terrorism, just gutting the government, putting in incompetent leaders in every dept. so that he could prove that government doesn't work.


He has a much better track record than your hero, Clinton.

He has a much worse track record than any previous president.


What list would that be? From DNC Hq?


It is from the RNC.


Post it.

Post it yourself.


Yeah, I am talking about the size of the cells needed to carry
out attacks. Not how they carry them out. You brought up the
fliers, and then discredited them yourself.



I discredited your lie that they had plenty more pilots to use as
suicide bombers.

I proved that you were lying when you said that I claimed they needed more pilots.


Well, they got 19 of them then.



Yep.

At that rate, they will have

them all in a few centuries.



"The longest journey begins with a single step."

Except that probably 40 or 50

have been recruited in the time that that attack took place.



And we may have killed 60 or 70 during the same time frame.


I believe it was 19. But hang on to your dream. Let us revisit this in a year or so, to see who was right.


Will they let you have a computer in jail?

I don't know, but you could ask your lawyer before they put you in.


I posted the information available. Prove it is wrong.


Did the article say; Probably part of Sadrs' army?


When I put probably, that part means probably as a comment to the basic
article.

I notice you ignored the pertinent information.

Snicker.

So you were just guessing.


They wouldn't have had to call attention to the plan by struggling
through flight school, dumbass. If we had people with brains instead of
thugs running the FBI, they would have acted on the tips they got and
rounded them all up long before 9-11.

Geez, but you are one stupid individual.


They accomplished their mission because they are aware of the situation and react to the actual conditions. Why should they do more than is necessary?


They got lucky because Reno's office had erected a wall preventing the
sharing of terrorist information.

Everyone knows this is a basic fact.

And Bush did not care enough to change it.

You are the one with no strategic skills and now I believe you have no tactical prowess, either.


Believe anything you want. My brain is not fried with drugs like yours
is so I don't have the delusions you do.

Seen any pink elephants this week?

Have there been a lot of pink elephants in your neighborhood, lately? You know that is typical of alcoholic hallucinations.

As I said, I like spontaneity. Besides I might want to post new ones
instead of reruns.


That is actually my goal with the list. It is really boring to hear the same old insults over and over. When I hear children insulting each other, I like to grade on originality.
Volume gets no points, but creativity does.


Sorry to disappoint you, Mr. Doper.

You haven't disappointed me, yet, Mr Alcoholic.


Didn't make any wise investments, huh?


I could retire in 5 years, but I don't plan to.


Good. Keep that SS fund solvent.

You need your handouts from the gov't., huh?

I don't want to retire and

my customers SURE don't want me to retire.



They still think your warranty is worth more than toilet paper. Poor
slobs...


Why would they need a warranty on excellent work?


A wise buyer wouldn't settle for less.

And my customers are pretty wise.

There aren't very

many out there as good as I am.



So how come you haven't gotten as big as Del Webb?


Because I don't want to be big. The larger you get, the less attention to detail you can have. Plus, more headaches. Bigger is NOT better.


I think it's another delusion that you are good at your work.

It is a delusion to think that I am not.

And I love my work.

According to your growing number of posts, you don't have much of it
lately. 360 posts in September...0 in the first few months of the year.
I guess construction has slowed down in your part of the country.


It only takes a few minutes a day to duel with you on an intellectual level. I have a lot of time when everything is running smoothly.


We aren't talking about me. We're talking about a skyrocketing volume
of posts.

Everything going smoothly gives me a lot of free time.


That would be strictly a matter of opinion.


That would be strictly a lie.


Doper. Convict. Dope smuggler. Dope dealer. Criminal. Juvenile
delinquent.

All titles you earned.

And if it is on the internet, it must be true.

I don't need to point them out. It is obvious that they are lies.



Your lies are what is obvious. I pointed them out as they occurred.


You point out what you believe to be inconsistencies. But you are the only one that believes them.


I'm probably the only one reading your garbage.

I know I am the only one reading yours.


You're the expert. Why take mind-altering drugs unless you can't stand
yourself as a human being?


Why drink alcohol unless you can't stand reality?


Alcohol is food. You never lived in Spain or Germany. No meal without
booze, except possibly breakfast. I don't recall ever getting invited
into a house without being offered a refreshment, usually of an
alcoholic nature.

However I was never offered meth, crack or LSD.

You are not going to the finest establishments, then.

I will bet that all totaled, I only got about a weeks worth of
real hallucinations out of my entire experience. And it
wasn't from lack of trying.



Gee, that is too bad. All that money down the toilet.


LSD was cheap. I used to get 1,000 hits at a time for 50 bucks. Cheaper than beer.


The difference is, I don't drink to get drunk. I have just as good a
time if I drink a soda and in Mormon or Seventh Day Adventist households
we partied without booze of any kind.

But, like the alcoholic you are, you couldn't wait to get home to that stash.

You, OTOH, seem to have had at least 8 years of hallucinations
based on what you tell us is your perception of the Clinton
years.



Well documented perceptions.


For someone who is drunk, maybe.


I saved my champagne for when Clinton was out of office and Gore didn't
make it. Weak stuff but it tasted great.

Been drunk ever since, huh?

And that was all from alcohol? What were you drinking

and how much? What prescriptions were you taking?



Unlike you, I have remained in close touch with reality my entire life.


Could have fooled me. I think conspiracy theories are right up there with pink elephants. Kooky.


What conspiracy theories? Flight 800?

All of them.


They had all those

tourists killed, and yet they only sent 1,000 troops with us
to avenge their deaths, against Saddam Hussein. Do you think
the Australians believed that Saddam had attacked Bali?



Nope. No one claimed that. However much of the public felt a force was
a token of support. The Aussies are having their own problems with the
Muslims they allowed in their country. A few more incidents and they
may disinvite them.


Then why would the Aussies join forces with Bush to attack Saddam in revenge for the Bali bombings?


To show their support for his policies. (Maybe they will share in the oil?)

But you claimed that they joined the "alliance of the willing" because they suffered an attack by Al Qaeda. Another lie.


Which lends zero support to yours.


Which is that the majority of the planet thinks that Bush is more dangerous than Al Qaeda?


At one time the majority of people on the planet thought it was flat.

According to Danforth 66% of U.S. citizens believed the government lied
about Waco.

How apropo that you would post those statements together.

I think henceforth ALL DNC PROPAGANDA WILL BE DECLARED A
NON-TOPIC.



Me, too. And republican propoganda. Since I don't use it, it
should not change the conversation a bit.



You really should take a hint about how to spell propaganda.


You don't recognize the spanish spelling? I thought you understood spanish? I like the way it sounds in spanish better than the english pronunciation. And I don't use spell check.


Propaganda is just one of many words you can't spell.

You mean that I can spell in two languages.


You are as independent as Hillary Clinton.


She is a democrat. Do you need an explanation of these terms?


You are left of Hillary (at least left of her posing).

And here you are lying again.


According to the CIA investigators, Clarke's claims were false.

Sandy Berger risked serious jail time to destroy the documents before
they could be catalogued by the archivists. The evidence of Clinton's
criminal incompetence must have been overwhelming.

Now I hear Sandy Bergler is on Hillary's campaign team. I gather that
is his reward.


I did not get that from the report. Could you point it out to me?


Unpaid staff means he's on the team. (Probably cash under the table.)
It's payback time.

Clarke was a paid staff member. At the cabinet level until Bush downgraded terrorism to a much lower priority.

Robert Allsion, one time pipe cutter for Brown and Root (a Halliburton
susidiary).


What is a pipe cutter? You mean the tool used to cut pipes? I didn't know they were called Robert Allisons. That is another major coincidence.


A flunky pipe cutter in construction who has graduated to being the
world's foremost authority on strategic planning.

I think even fiction writers wouldn't believe the plot.

Truth is often stranger than fiction, but thanks for the compliment, even though I don't consider myself the worlds foremost authority. There are many better than me. You just aren't one of them.

379 instances of denial. :)


of conspiracy theories as good conversation.


What conspiracy theories?

Yours.


So LZ thinks that the planet could survive being destroyed. OK. We won't though.


What exactly do you mean by "destroyed"? All the matter ends up in space?

Uninhabitable due to radiation is enough to destroy it for us.


So exactly where did you score all your dope?


Usually at someones' house. Or at mine. Why would you go out on the street or in an alley?


I guess I've seen too many movies. In movies, that's where all the
action is. Also I've seen drug deals going down, usually on a rural
road or city park.

That is just the movies.


Well, you should have reported to the Olympic team. Anyone who can swim
200 MPH under water is sure to win a gold medal.


Sure seemed like 200. Could have been less. The guys on the bank said I left a wake.


My retrievers could all do that.

How about a rooster tail?


He had an attorney general who covered for him. How many of his pals
are still in China?


So the answer to the question is one. I love to say that. I know that it makes your blood pressure rise, every single time.


You would be wrong, as usual. How many of his pals are still in China?

I like to see you dodge that question every time. <snerk>

I don't know, seven? He knew a lot of people.


Mine was legal. Yours wasn't. That makes you the
criminal.



And you the alcoholic.



One beer per day on doctor's orders is a long way from being an
alcoholic. If I catch a cold or the weather is cool, I may not have a
beer (or any alcohol) for 2 weeks at a time. My liver is in A-1 shape.


But if I use your methodology, that would make you an alcoholic. And a chronic one at that.


What methodology? You used illegal drugs, I use legal ones under
doctor's orders. BIG difference in how the law looks at it.

That's why you are considered a criminal and I'm not.

Got that?

Then why can I vote and own guns?


I usually meet my friends at home or at their home, or maybe a restaurant. I thought you might meet most of yours at the prison visitors room since that is the first thing that came into your mind. Never crossed my mind.


How many of your old drug buddies are in jail or have been?

I have no idea.


Drug dealing is an important crime. You couldn't have stashed the cash
to open a business if drugs were legal.


It is an important crime because it is illegal. If drugs were legalized, they would be as minor as alcohol. Remember prohibition? They had most of the law enforcement agencies involved in combating alcohol then, too. Same with drugs. It would not be profitable to most of those involved if it were legal.


So move to a country where it is. No one is forcing you to live where
some drugs are illegal.

And no one is forcing you to live in a country where Clintons are presidents.


Cops were exempt from the draft, dumbass.


What draft?


When they had a draft. During the Cold War.
When you scoring and smuggling dope.

And your point is?


BBC. AFN.


I didn't work for them. But I did have a short wave radio.


Probably used in your drug busines.

Never had a drug business.


I never get info from them.

You'll have to update me.


So where is the info about Hillaries sex change?


You said she had cojones now so I assumed she had her sex change completed.

Don't know how she is going to shed that fas ass though.

Shows how easily you can jump to conclusions.


You went to the wrong movie. No surprise, as dumb as you are.


Insult #10. And perhaps you went to the wrong one.

http://www.serendipity.li/waco.html

http://www.waco93.com/

Ratings:

1. Waco: The Rules of Engagement (1997) 8.3/10

Never saw that one. I will watch it. I love fictional drama.

You probably didn't recognize it.


Where did you see it?


They talked about it when they made the movie of your life.

I think they called it "The Lost Weekend".

A movie about my life. I knew I was going to leave a legacy, but I didn't think about a movie about it.


You see a distinction there that most alcoholics use to justify their drug use. They are just drugs or chemicals to me.



That's because you lack education. Jaegermeister has various herbs in
it that settle an upset stomach. Try it sometime. There is alcohol in
cough syrup too, you know.


I don't need cough syrup. And I know that drugs can have various herbs in them. Helps people justify their use.


I might take one or two shots a year. I've had the bottle since 1984 so
I'm not exactly guzzling it.

So by your methodology, that would be a habitual drinker.


You must be joking. I'm still celebrating the departure of that deviant
(Clinton) from the White House.


Since you can't get past that point in time, I am not surprised.


Just a nightmare I don't want repeated.

And yet, it looks like you will have to see it again.

A capability you will NEVER have.


A capability I have but will never use. I don't read useless garbage, except from you in this thread. Do you read all the spam, too?


Of course. Speed reading is something I picked up many years ago.

I did too. I also picked up speed recognizing garbage and putting it in its proper place.


Only if you believe you ever told the truth. That could be a problem.


And we begin to see where your logic turns against you. As if we haven't been watching that breakdown for a long time.


In the mirror?

In the mirror of your soul.


I can have alcohol in huge amounts in my house; no violation of the laws.


I'll bet you can't drink large quantities of it and drive around. Try it. Especially on a saturday night.


I'm not suicidal. I could try it in a cow pasture though.

You could do the same with drugs.

Otherwise you alcoholics on your "medications" would be going to jail every day.



But alcoholics aren't going to jail for possessing alcohol unless they
happen to be driving.


My point exactly.


Whereas you could get arrested simply for possession.

That is what I said.

See how uninformed you still are?



Nothing new there, doofus.


Nice of you to admit it.


Admit that you're a doofus?

That it is nothing new that you are uninformed.


Because it is on my hard drive with no downloading.

But thanks for proving how unscrupulous Democrats are.


Can't prove it is not on his website, can you. It is. It is paraphrased, but it is there.


But it is NOT what you posted. We KNOW that is a lie because I authored
what you posted.

Prove that it is not on the website.

So if he was the father of your friend and so concerned with your
welfare that he risked his life going into Mexico, SURELY he was enough
of a friend that you could ask him such a simple question.

If he ever did what you claim he did. That could be your problem.


And why would I have asked him a question about something that had not even ocurred, yet? Or should I go looking for the fathers of my high school friends to ask them questions that would make me look like an idiot?


This will be no surprise to him.

Yes it would.

Is that what you want to get out of this? That he thinks I am

just as looney as you?


Just want you to back up your story that a bigshot DEA guy was such a
pal that he came over to Mexico to retrieve your sorry ass. You could
thank him and then ask him if that story about Judge Smith had merit.

Actually it has been a known fact since he was appointed to the case so
never mind.

Already thanked him. And nice try about the conspiracy theory.

Like I said, I don't discuss conspiracy theories. It would make me look stupid.

Everything else does too so what is one more reason?

What else?

I now have a friend that is ICE agent in charge of Brownsville. If you could read, I would not have to repeat all of this.



Nothing to do with the DEA investigation of Judge Smith though so why
bring him up? Red herring time?


I was trying to figure out how you came up with such an error from what I had said. It is OK. I understand now. You think that the parents of my friends are MY friends, too.


If he risked his life to save your ass and you don't call him a friend,
what the hell is he?

I don't think that he risked his life. And he is my friends father. I already told you that.

I won't ask him about conspiracy theories because I respect his intelligence more than that.



Because you might learn something. Besides he probably doesn't exist.


Look it up. When you find him, ask him how Gene is doing.


Translation: He's a figment of Pinko Bob's imagination.

Then how did he get me out of jail?


Still celebrating about Clinton getting a blowjob, huh? Jealous?


Did Paula give him a BJ too? I thought he asked for one but got turned
down? All I know is it cost BJ $850,000 of his wife's money to pay her off.

That was pretty hilarious too. Think your wife would cough up that kind
of cash to a bimbo you had solicited? Yes or no?

Yes or no.

Or would she just whip out a bread knife and do a Lorena Bobbit job on you?

I would never be in that position. When you get enough at home, you don't need to look for more.

Nor do you listen to factual presentations of actual evidence.

We both know that conspiracy theories are not involved.


YOU don't know. Everyone else does.


Danforth said 66% of Americans believed that the government had lied
about Waco. You belong to a minority group that still claims the ATF
didn't break the law.

390


And how does that apply to today? Are you saying that we could have contained Saddam, just like we could have contained Hitler?


I'm saying it is better to do it sooner rather than later. During the
Clinton years, the Democrats kept whining that Bush the Elder should
have taken Saddam out so we would no longer have to maintain the no-fly
zones. Then when GW does it, they whined that Saddam was contained.

It doesn't take a genius to see what phonies they are.

Yep, they are in the white house.

Every power on earth could be stopped before birth by an abortion. How do you decide which is the one that is going to become a problem in the future? Your point is meaningless and has no bearing on the present situation, or on any situation.



Abortions don't have a violated treaty as grounds to intervene.

Is that really your best argument? You better drop back to 3rd grade
debating class.


You say that you love to use history to understand the present. Every dictator at one time could have been stopped. Even an abortion could have done it.


At that stage no crime had been committed, dumbass. When Hitler tore up
the Versailles Treaty we had the grounds to smack him down. But we didn't.

My question is; What does that teach you about the Iraq

situation?


That it is good GW didn't wait until Saddam had invaded another neighbor
or bought a nuke from Korea or Pakistan.

He couldn't. We had him contained.

That we should never have put him in power in the first place?

We gave him some help when he fought Iran. We didn't put him in power.

Prove your lie or admit it is a lie.

I swear that it is not a lie.
Me too. I don't even visit the wacko web sites you do.


Good. Now you can stop trying to bring them up.


I've yet to bring one up.

Only 380 times.


But FDR was too busy with his socialist proposals to convince Americans
that we needed to act. What did he do when Hitler tore up the treaty?
Nada.


Congress decided to enter the war when Japan bombed Pearl Harbor. They could have declared war at any time. Was FDR keeping them from doing it sooner?


You bet. He didn't consider it a smart political move because the
majority of Americans opposed the idea.

So all of that manouvering to get us into the war was just a sham to keep us out of the war.

I fail to see how you can claim that we had the ability at that point in time to stop hitler. The countries over there that were most at risk, did not have the will to stop him and we weren't living under a King that could do anything he wanted, no matter how right it may have been.



All he had to do was assure France that they had our support if they
acted against Hitler. He made all sorts of promises to Stalin later in
the war without consulting Congress but failed to act when it would have
really counted.


So WWII was FDRs fault. You sure can reach out there and grab some wild hallucinatory theories to justify your hatred of the democrats.


Our involvement at that time was. We had been anything but neutral for
years when war was officially declared. Supplying Britain and China and
setting up an economic blockade of Japan were not the acts of a neutral
party. Had FDR showed support for France and Britain when Hitler
re-militarized the Rhineland, Hitler would probably have been forced
from power by the Army. As it was, we gave him another 5 years to build
up his military.

So FDR was trying to keep us out of the war by appearing to be trying to get us into the war because it was political suicide to get into the war. Just trying to understand your premise.

You

sure you never ate any pale white mushrooms with blue stems?


Who knows? I've eaten lots of mushrooms but never had hallucinations.


FDR started WWII. Amazing. I always thought it was Hitler.


Actually it was Japan who invaded Manchuria long before Hitler invaded
Poland.

I thought it was FDR.


No we were not. He was selling oil on the black market and stockpiling
cash. No reason he couldn't have bought a nuke from North Korea,
Pakistan or one of the former states of the USSR, when he had
accumulated enough cash.


Not only did he not buy anything,


But he was in a position to buy. Khan was selling.

he got rid of everything he had. Or

did you not hear about there being no WMDs?


Yahbut the cease fire he had signed said that every WMD destroyed had to
be witnessed and accounted for. Saddam deliberatly didn't do that. He
wanted our intel people to THINK he had WMDs so we wouldn't attack.

Knew that.

You mean to tell me you haven't caught on to this YET? His own generals
thought they had WMDs, ready to use if we invaded.

Knew you would say that.

I see you have been completely and totally hornswoggled by DNC propaganda.

#1 and #4.

And you claimed to be smart. Smarter than a desert tortoise, maybe.

But not by much.

And #4 again.

So now you are saying that we invaded because he did what we wanted him to do, but he didn't do it like we wanted him to do it.


You are assisting them in their war with your morale-destroying
propaganda campaign.


I am questioning questionable strategy.


So you know more than all the instructors at West Point, VMI, the War
College, Command and Staff school and all the experienced officers in 4
military services?

Who have you been listening to? I am probably not THAT good.

Take that any way you want to

take it.


I take it as an example of lunacy.

It does seem like you think of patriotism as lunacy.

It is my duty to my country to speak up when the government is

doing wrong.


Yet you let the government murder it's own citizens at Waco and looked
the other way.

I think that disqualifies you from ever again saying that you support
the Constitution since, when the chips were down, you failed to do so.

382

Of course that is what people that hate the constitution

and our way of life, call being a traitor, when THEY are the traitors.


You already proved your traitorous nature when you let Clinton trash the
Constitution on several occasions.

383


Shall we review who brings up that sort of thing the most? I can repost your questions if you would like.


You're the blowjob king. I KNOW that Clinton was cited for contempt of
court and impeached for PERJURY, NOT a bj.

You can't seem to get that straight.

I got it straight when I heard it 10 years ago. I just put it into perspective and moved on to important things.


Well, there you go. There is the list of your conspiracy theories and you can argue them all you want to. I will just sit back and watch. You seem to have a good time talking to yourself, anyway.



Looks like you're the one fascinated with conspiracies.


So why do you constantly bring them up?


Name one.

Reno committed crimes at Waco and murdered the davidians.


Except perjury is a felony. Ask Mark Fuhrman. Spitting is a low level misdemeanor.

Geez but you are one ignorant puppy.


#2, again.

And a blowjob is not even illegal.


But perjury in court is. Doubly so for an officer of the court and a
sitting president.

But you scoff at our system of Constitutional law and think it doesn't
apply to Democrats. I would expect that of an habitual criminal like you.

It was dealt with. Deal with it.


Naw. They would just fudge the books.


So you are saying our generals are criminals. That would be perjury, you know.


Huh? Clinton fudged the books all the time.

Well then, that makes it OK for everyone.


52 years in reality.


Drug induced zombie state, you mean.

No, reality.

I'm not surprised you are dumb enough to believe so many.


I am not the one that believes them. You do.


But you posted them.

Because you wanted to see them again.


I can make that many posts and still work 10 hours a day. Does it give you a lot of trouble? It is easy for me. Did you want to quit?


360 is a pittance to my numbers. Maybe you should take a look?
My point was you went from zero to 360 in a short time.

Were you taking a typing class?
LZ

I am not interested in what you do on the internet. I post alot and then I don't post. It is just according to my whims.

--
Robert Allison
Rimshot, Inc.
Georgetown, TX
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