Re: OT who said this ?

Don lampoon wrote:
Linus You are so full of crap! How do you expect anyone to believe
the big windies you post?

Huh? You mean you don't believe them but believe the big windies of
your Democratic puppet-masters?

So, FDR wanted the depression to continue, but the war ruined his scheme did it? HawHawHaw!

All his schemes indicated he wanted the depression to last long enough
to lock in a permanent voting base.

Before, you've claimed he knew in advance about Pearl Harbor, but kept mum about it, because he wanted the war?

He not only knew in advance, he maneuvered us into it. By that time
World WarII was already in progress. Prosecuting the war was also a
good way to buy votes after he finessed the Japanese into making a
"sneak attack" and aroused patriotic fervor.

Did you ever read about General Marshall being tasked to convince
Dewey not to reveal the evidence about Pearl Harbor?

The excuse was that we didn't want the Japanese to know we had broken
their code. We were reading their messages but Marshall claims the one
concerning the attack on Pearl Harbor arrived a day late. :)

Attachment 3: Text of original 1944 letter from Marshall to Dewey TOP SECRET

FOR MR. DEWEY'S EYES ONLY

COPY 27 September 1944

Colonel Clarke , my messenger to you of yesterday, September 26th, has reported the result of his delivery of my letter dated September
25th. As I understand him you (a) were unwilling to commit yourself
to any agree- ment regarding "not communicating its contents to
another person" in view of the fact that you felt you already knew
certain of the things probably re- ferred to in the letter, as
suggested to you by seeing the word "cryptograph," and (b) you could
not feel that such a letter as this to a presidential can- didate
could have been addressed to you by an officer of my position without
the knowledge of the President.

As to (a) above I am quite willing to have you read what comes here- after with the understanding that you are bound not to communicate to
any other person any portions on which you do not now have or later
receive factual knowl -edge from some other source than myself. As to
(b) above you have my word that neither the Secretary of War nor the
President has any intimation whatsoever that such a letter has been
addressed to you or that the preparation or sending of such a
communication was being considered. I assure you that the only per- sons who saw or know of the existence of either this letter or my
letter to you dated September 25th are Admiral King, seven key
officers responsible for secur- ity of military communications, and
my secretary who typed these letters. I am trying my best to make
plain to you that this letter is being addressed to you solely on my
initiative, Admiral King having been consulted only after the let- ter was drafted, and I am persisting in the matter because the
military hazards involved are so serious that I reel some action is
necessary to protect the in- terests of our armed forces.

I should have much preferred to talk to you in person but I could not
devise a method that would not be subject to press and radio
reactions as to why the Chief of Staff of the Army would be seeking
an interview with you at this particular moment. Therefore I have
turned to the method of this letter, with which Admiral King concurs,
to be delivered by hand to you by Colonel Clarke, who, incidentally,
has charge or the most secret documents of the War and Navy
Departments.

In brief , the military dilemma is this :

The most vital evidence in the Pearl Harbor matter consists of our
intercepts of the Japanese diplomatic communications. Over a period
of years our cryptograph people analyzed the character of the machine
the " Japanese were using for encoding their diplomatic messages. Based on this a corresponding machine was built by us which deciphers
their messages. Therefore, we possessed a wealth of information re- garding their moves in the Pacific, which in turn was furnished the State Department - rather than as is popularly supposed, the State

DECLASSIFIED E.O. 11552 Sec. 3(E) and 5(D) or (E) Authority ___ [ NND
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Department providing us with the information - but which
unfortunately made no reference whatever to intentions towards Hawaii
until the last message before December 7th, which did not reach our
hands until the following day, December 8th.

Now the point to the present dilemma is that we have gone ahead with
this business of deciphering their codes until we possess other
codes, German as well as Japanese, but our main basis of informa- tion regarding Hitler's intentions in Europe is obtained from Baron Oshima's messages from Berlin reporting his interviews with Hitler
and other officials to the Japanese Government. These are still in
the codes involved in the Pearl Harbor events.

To explain further the critical nature of this set-up which would be
wiped out almost in an instant if the least suspicion were aroused
regarding it, the battle of the Coral Sea was based on de- ciphered
messages and therefore our few ships were in the right place at the
right time, Further, we were able to concentrate our limited forces
to meet their naval advance on Midway when otherwise we almost certainly would have been some 3,000 miles out of place. We had full information of the strength of their forces in that advance and also of the smaller force directed against the Aleutians which finally landed troops on Attu and Kiska.

Operations in the Pacific are largely guided by the informa- tion we
obtain of Japanese deployments. We know their strength in var- ious
garrisons, the rations and other stores continuing available to them,
and what is of vast importance, we check their fleet movements and
the movements of their convoys. The heavy losses reported from time
to time which they sustain by reason of our submarine action, largely
result from the fact that we know the sailing dates and routes of
their convoys and can notify our submarines to lie in wait at the proper points.

The current raids by Admiral Halsey's carrier forces on Jap- anese
shipping in Manila Bay and elsewhere were largely based on timing on
the known movements of Japanese convoys, two of which were caught, as
anticipated, in his destructive attacks.

You will understand from the foregoing the utterly tragic
consequences if the present political debates regarding Pearl Harbor
disclose to the enemy, German or Gap, any suspicion of the vital
sources of information we possess.

The Roberts' Report of Pearl Harbor had to have withdrawn from it all
reference to this highly secret matter, therefore in portions it
neces- sarily appeared incomplete. The same reason which dictated
that course is even more important today because our sources have
been greatly elaborated.

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As another example of the delicacy of the situation, some of Dono- van's people (the OSS) without telling us, instituted a secret search
of the Japanese Embassy offices in Portugal. As a result the entire
military attaché Japanese code all over the world was changed, and
though this occurred over a year ago, we have not yet been able to
break the new code and have thus lost this invaluable source of
information, particularly regarding the European situation.

A further most serious embarrassment is the fact that the British government is involved concerning its most secret sources of
information, regarding which only the Prime Minister, the Chiefs of
Staff and a very limited number of other officials have knowledge.

A recent speech in Congress by Representative Harness would clearly suggest to the Japanese that we have been reading their codes, though
Hr.Har- ness and the American public would probably not draw any such
conclusion.

The conduct of General Eisenhower's campaign and of all operations in
the Pacific are closely related in conception and timing to the
information He secretly obtain through these intercepted codes. They
contribute greatly to the victory and tremendously to the saving in
American lives, both in the conduct of current operations and in
looking towards the early termination of the war.

I am presenting this matter to you in the hope that you will see your
way clear to avoid the tragic results with which we are now
threatened in the present political campaign.

Please return this letter by bearer. I will hold it in my most secret
file subject to your reference should you so desire.

Faithfully yours,

(Sgd) G. C. MARSHALL

You taunt Robert about his "criminal past",

He's proud of it.

yet praise McVeigh for
his "terrorism"?

His "terrorism" was a response to government terrorism and since he was only one man arrayed against many, he chose a method to make his point.

He succeeded.

That sure makes sese, doesn't it?

McVeigh's actions were no more egregious than those of our government at Waco except that McVeigh had cause and the government didn't.

Chew on that inescapable fact for a moment or two.

You sound like
one of the idiots who think the feds blew up the levies during
Katrina!

Gee, then why did I poke fun at them?

Dispute a single fact I have posted about Waco or McVeigh.

You rant about how Democrats put party about national
interests, but never consider the monkeyshines of Nixon,

Nixon was a criminal too. I've condemned his actions and never supported them. You, OTOH, have supported every criminal enterprise the Democrats have been mixed up in.

You're a liar and a moron, Don.
LZ
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